In this episode, Jim and Tyson will catch up with each other. They will go over what’s been going on with their businesses and then dive in into this week’s topic: where are they going to be 25 years from now. Also, they will discuss about building a culture in a law firm and BHAGS.
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This episode is all about building for the future, expanding, and putting in place systems that will allow us to grow; Innovating and improving ourselves.
BHAGS – Big Hairy Audacious Goal
“If you pick the wrong BHAG, your setting your firm off on a terrible course. If your team isn’t unified on that goal, your gonna screw the whole thing up.”
Built to Last: Successful Habits of Visionary Companies by Jim Collins
In 25 years:
Jim sees his firm with offices across the country and as the biggest law firm for family immigration services, with all their systems build out and a franchise model.
Tyson wants to have the most successful personal injury law firm in the midwest, with an office in every single city of the midwest.
Hacking’s hack: A book about having a learning organization:
The Fifth Discipline: The Art & Practice of The Learning Organization by Peter Senge
Tyson’s tip: An app to look good.
Custom Clothing Made in Your Size
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Transcripts: Patience and Long Term Planning in The Business of Law
Jim Hacking
It’s a real different mindset. I think when we sit back and say to ourselves, you know, I’m in this for the long haul, I’m in this for really trying to build something substantive. Maybe I’ll sell it, maybe I won’t. At the end of the day, I want to have something that’s solid and able to withstand ups and downs. I come to this base, from a place of taking that opportunity to sort of assess where we are to have goals and where we want to get to. But to sort of relish the journey and to be open to what happens along the way, instead of being so obsessed about getting everything right perfectly today.
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Jim Hacking
Welcome to the show. Welcome back to the maximum lawyer podcast. I am Jim hacking.
Tyson Mutrux
And I’m Mr. Wonderful, aka tasty metrics.
Jim Hacking
Jimmy. Good morning, Mr. Wonderful. How are you?
Tyson Mutrux
You know, inside jokes never work, you know. And so you and I were just talking, I was just joking around as Mr. Wonderful. And now we’re talking about Shark Tank. That’s where that came from. So I’m doing great. How you doing?
Jim Hacking
I’m doing well. I’m doing well, you know, full steam ahead. It’s been an interesting couple of weeks. And I thought we could do an episode where we check in and then we talk about sort of long term planning.
Tyson Mutrux
I really liked the topic. You texted me this morning. That seems pretty good. I think I’ve got some good stuff there, too. So what is new in your world?
Jim Hacking
Well, it’s been an interesting past couple of weeks, you know, I went up to Washington DC for John Fisher’s mastermind. And it was terrific. As always, it was the largest one Jon’s ever had. We had 27 attorneys. So So that’s office was really bursting at the seams, we had one group in the main conference room, one group and sort of the lunch room, and then my group was down on the second floor. So it was a real good group of people and John mix it up a little bit. Historically, he’s done it where he put sort of the newer lawyers in one group and the more seasoned lawyers and another but this one, I think, mostly just because he had so many people, he just mix it all up. And we were really lucky to have a good group. And it was good to spend a full day thinking about ways to improve our firm. And John was gracious enough to ask me to be the leader of my little group. You know, I really enjoy stuff like that. So it was great to be with John and to see everybody.
Tyson Mutrux
Yeah, heard the other groups really got a lot out of their experience. I haven’t heard anybody from your group. So I don’t know what that’s about. I don’t know if that’s made because they just got less out of it or something like that. Just kidding. I’ve heard really good things about people in your group. They were really, in all groups. Really, they all had a great time. And I’m glad that he mixed it up again. Because my first one that I was, the only one I’ve been to is the very first one he did. And it was mixed. It was insane. I remember at the time it was, I think it was either just a solo or solo with an assistant. And I remember sitting in this room and you know, across from me a millionaire next to me and millionaire, millionaire, millionaire millionaire. And then there was me, Mike Campbell, and a couple other people were like, I don’t know if we’re in the right room. Do you have all these highly successful attorneys, but it was really beneficial, though, especially to see like, yeah, the exact same struggles. I mean, it was really, really cool. I think it’s beneficial to have the mix of newer attorneys or people that are just starting their firm with the more advanced attorneys because you can share from each other. I think there’s a lot you can you could share. So I think that’s really,
Jim Hacking
really good. One of the people there was thinking about opening up an office in California, which is something I’ve been wanting to do. And then we had Josh Goldstein in our group who in fact did that he had an immigration practice in Boston and decided to open up an office in LA. So it was interesting to hear from the person who’s thinking about wanting to do that, and then listening to the person who’s actually done it. And then the interplay between the two, and for everybody chiming in was great. We also in our group, we had Bill Umansky and he’s sort of a wild man. We were really glad to have him in our group, and he just brings a total different flavor to the group. You know, he’s dressed to the 90 head on a canary yellow jacket, near yellow socks, a black shirt, black pants, black shoes. He was just styling and profiling. And it was it was fun. We’re going to definitely have to go on the show.
Tyson Mutrux
And if you’ve not met Bill, you need to meet Bill. That’s all he is a he’s a character, and he’s a great dude. So you should totally reach out to Bill. Just listen, just pick up the phone, call Billy Umansky and say hi to him, and he will be a lifelong friend. I guarantee it. He’s such a good day.
Jim Hacking
Last week, I was lucky enough. You know, the tomo conference was in St. Louis and a lot of our friends were in town and we got to have dinner. You were kind enough to come out from Columbia for my birthday and Mitch Jackson was there Chris nicolaysen Seth price David Terry Malini Annika and And Mitch, his wife Lisa, and Amani, my wife came and it was just a really nice night on a rooftop restaurant in St. Louis. Seth price was very generous to pick up the bill. And we were all quick to get out of there quickly. While you’re in the bathroom. We all sort of ditched you because we’re tired of talking to
Tyson Mutrux
you. It was the weirdest day. Where’s everybody like it was gone? Like, okay, well, whatever. It was a lot of fun, though. It was a blast. I was really happy that I really get to see everybody and someone I didn’t get to see was David Haskins. David Haskins was apparently in town, I didn’t get to see him.
Jim Hacking
But it’s fun to hear about other people’s conferences too. I don’t know if you’ve ever been to film I have not it’s for plaintiff’s lawyer. So it probably more inclined for you than for me. But my understanding is it’s a lot of old school marketing stuff, people talking about billboards, and television commercials and all that stuff, which I think is sort of big in the pie space, but not necessarily in other practice areas. But I think that everybody who went to it, enjoyed it.
Tyson Mutrux
So I heard, you know, everyone that went to it was happy about it, and everything else. But I mean, I had zero interest in going. And I don’t know why it just maybe is because it was it was all old marketing to me. And that new marketing. And so I just I felt like our conference has a lot more value in which we had not too long ago, and I don’t know, I just wasn’t interested in going. But I’m sure there’s a lot of value. And I just, I had no interest in going what’s going on. I’ll talk more probably in more depth in the coming weeks about it, you know, we’ve you know, had a lot of changes in the firm. And I will tell you this, the changes have led to more innovation for me in the last three weeks, and I’ve had in the last year and a half, which is fantastic. It has been a really, I think, amazing. Last three weeks, I’ll put it that way, it’s been really cool. I think my firm is going to be very solid going forward. And that’s actually a good thing to say, because we’re talking about what our topic is today. I’ll let you introduce that in a second. But now, things go really, really well. There’s been a lot of change. But things are going well, though, got new hires, there’s been a change in the name of the firm, which again, I’ll talk about more later, the websites change. I’ve been looking at hiring Mike Wieland to do a redesign of the website, do some content, he’s got a really neat content creation strategy. That’s very similar to William Metis. And it’s sort of a do it for you kind of thing. And then initially, and then to do it with you kind of a package. And so there’s changes with that I’ve been tinkering with some other marketing ideas, which we can get into later that are, have been fruitful. At this stage. I think they’re a little proprietary, I don’t really want to dig too deep into them. But there’s some really cool ideas that I’ve sort of stolen from other attorneys and adjusted a little bit and had some pretty good results. So we can talk about later. But in a nutshell of last three weeks, that’s kind of what’s been going on.
Jim Hacking
We’re gonna have a hell of a conversation later. Because you’re being very cryptic, I understand why and everything. But I’ve been struck by how much you have been hustling in the last couple of weeks. And I’ve been struck by how much people have reached out to you and sort of chipped in with their ideas on things that you can do. And so I’m excited about that. I’ll be glad when we talk about it in our communities.
Tyson Mutrux
Fantastic. And the show, make sure it clears it up. I’ll clear this up from the podcast. One of the first questions that people asked me when they came in town from filma. And they needed to know because apparently this came up at the mastermind, is do Gary Burger and I hate each other. And I thought it was the funniest thing. His Gary Burger and I love each other. And one of the most supportive individuals that has been in my life over the last few weeks has been Gary Burger. So for anyone thinks for some reason that he and I don’t like each other. You’re dead wrong. I just want to make sure I clear the arrow that Jimmy
Jim Hacking
there was a topic of conversation in Washington, DC and it’s funny that people view you as competitors and sort of, I mean, I don’t know anybody that you don’t like Tyson. I’ve never really heard you badmouth anybody or, and certainly not Gary. I mean, I know when you started going through these recent changes, and Gary, and I were the two people you talk to first, and I know he’s been very supportive. So I was struck by people asking me in DC, I think Tyson really doesn’t like they get there. And I think Gary, it was really funny.
Tyson Mutrux
This year. It’s really funny, because I think he and I just tease each other a lot. I think so people think that because we tease each other we don’t but anyways, so we’ve talked quite a bit. We’ve hadn’t given up the topic, you wanna jump into the topic.
Jim Hacking
The topic for today is patience. In Arabic, the word is sobor. And I think about Cinderella patients and so patients and building with the eye towards the 25 year firm, like where are we going to be 25 years from now? So that would be I guess, 2043. And when you think about that in 2043, I will be 73. So I’ll be winding things down if I haven’t already. And just sort of having this mindset of building something for the future and being patient. I think that we have a lot of type A personalities in our group. I think we have a lot of entrepreneurs in our group. You know, I recently There’s that Colby index, and I’m a 10 Quickstart, which means I’m all in real fast. And I just brought on a new piece of software, and I’m all gung ho on it, and you know how I am about shiny objects and everything else. And so it’s a real different mindset. I think when we sit back and say to ourselves, you know, I’m in this for the long haul, I’m in this for, you know, really trying to build something substantive. Maybe I’ll sell it, maybe I won’t. At the end of the day, I want to have something that’s solid, and able to withstand ups and downs. And to me, I come to this space, from a place of being easier on myself not being so hard on myself and taking that opportunity to sort of assess where we are to have goals of where we want to get to. But to sort of relish the journey and to be open to what happens along the way, instead of being so obsessed about getting everything right, perfectly today.
Tyson Mutrux
So good. I love this topic, Jimmy. And I’m assuming that part of the topic came from Strategic Coach, because it seems very strategic coach ask. But the first thing that I thought of, there are two things really, that I thought of when you mentioned the topic, one was the book built to last by Jim Collins. And the other thing was just the way Japanese companies view their businesses. And by no means am I an expert in Japanese business culture. But one of the things that I did learn when I was a Mizzou is whenever I was going to the Business School is just the idea that you think about the Japanese companies, they think about what their company is gonna be like in 200 years, which is such hate a mind blowing thing to think about that like, Okay, what does my company look like in 200 years? Forget about 25 years, 25 years within your lifespan? What is your company ago, like in 200 years, which has gone through several different corporate changes and company changes and cultures and everything else? So I think it really is, when you start to think about it like that, then you really do start to dig in and build that bedrock, the bedrock. And I think that’s the strongest part of what I’ve got going. And I’ve spent the last three years just building out systems and building out the bedrock, which I think is going to help my firm grow and become very strong in the future. So what are your thoughts on that?
Jim Hacking
Well, I think that, you know, there’s lots of angles to this, you know, one angle is that we are sort of laying the groundwork for expansion and growth. And I think that, you know, I was thinking about this the other day that if we’re not expanding, were reassessing were going backwards. And, you know, we brought on a couple new employees this month. And, you know, that means we’re have to bring in some more cases. And so, I think that it’s important as we go through life, and through our business of making sure that we’re, you know, improving. And that whole Kaizen approach from Japan, I think, to have constant, daily incremental improvement, that’s something really good. And the other thing, you know, I’m not a systems guy as much as you are. And so when you think about building something that’s going to outlive you 200 years or 25 years, I’m not going to be here, practicing law in 25 years, I’ll tell you that, but that makes me more inclined to want to work on the systems to sort of make something bigger than just us ourselves, and, you know, just bigger than the personality of the person that started the firm.
Tyson Mutrux
Yeah, well, and I think for people like you that say, you know, making a practice in 25 years, I think it’s far more important that you build out your systems that you prepare for 25 years, because if not, you’re still going to be 35 years working just to make money just to pay the bills. But if you want to be in 25 years doing something else, whatever that may be, whether it’s running another business, or retired, or whatever it is, you have to have something that’s running itself, and it’s going to take some time to build that. And built the last actually, actually what he talks about Jim Collins talks about this clock building, not focusing on one product, you know, let’s say, for example, if Apple just focused on the iPod, and just worked on the iPod, they’d be a dead company right now. But they constantly innovate. And so you had the clock build, and I don’t know, I get a little bit about this one, just about, you know, as law firms, you know, how do we think about that from an innovation standpoint, because basically, that especially where we talked about with niching down is we’re kind of are dependent on one product, you know, we’re not dependent on several products are innovating the products and practicing law over the last 30 years, from just the strictly practicing standpoint, of a personal injury case or an immigration case, for the most parts are pretty similar the way they’ve been handled. I mean, it’s, if you think about it from start to finish, most of those cases are handled the exact same way that the technology See all that has changed, but the actual disk from start to finish eight as the the processes for the most part, the same, especially from a litigation standpoint, as soon as the case is filed, litigation A to Z is, I’d say probably almost identical other than E filing, not much has changed, the rules slightly change. But that’s outside of your control. So I don’t know about you when it comes to clock building, that there’s a way of innovating. And maybe that’s what we need to focus on is innovating, how we can do our specific practice area, that gives us a competitive advantage and 25 years.
Jim Hacking
And, you know, I keep coming back to our interview with Mike Whalen. And my conversations with him. You know, I think he’s a deep thinker. And I think he thinks about sort of the bigger picture of things. And I find myself maybe as I’m getting a little older, being drawn more towards that of thinking about, you know, the business of the law, the approach to the law, sort of, you know, building an expertise, not just so much because it makes you more marketable, but building your expertise for the sake of being an expert. And I also am struck by, you know, I put up that stat from Peter Diamandis, in the Facebook group on Sunday, about how 45% of current jobs will be gone in 10 years. And so, you know, it was interesting to see the reaction of our members, I know, Don McLaury, sort of looked at that as a great opportunity. And I think that’s one of the great things about our group is that we have that mindset of always looking for opportunities, even in what could be perceived as some people saying, you know, bad, oh, my God, these jobs are going to be gone, what’s going to happen? But, you know, we’re always looking for that improvement, that incremental improvement, you’re right, I was at the Apple Store, the other day getting a new laptop. And, you know, the Mac and laptop section was literally half of one table. Everything else was iPads and iPhones. And, you know, back in the day, you know, Apple’s whole business was computers. So I was really struck by that. So yeah, I think that being too attached to the way we do things currently can be a real trap, and really set us up for failure down the road.
Tyson Mutrux
I couldn’t agree more. So I want to see something about just culture. So I’m gonna shift gears a little bit like, what are your thoughts on building a culture that’s going to last and that’s going to, that is going to cultivate a firm that is going to make it last and thrive in the future? Like, what are your thoughts on just the culture part of it.
Jim Hacking
So this is something that’s not my strong suit, you know, I have not been the best leader when it comes to affirmatively planning out how to build a culture or even a mission for the group. I think that because I’m such a quick start, because I jump into things I’m sort of bounced around from time to time that this sort of deep thinking that has to be done to help build a culture is not something that I am no relatively good at. But I do think that my approach to things and my personality and the way I am as a boss and a supervisor, I think that we’ve sort of been lucky and attracted people that sort of innately get what we’re trying to build here and get what we’re doing. I’m not saying that’s the right way to do it. I’m just saying that I think I’ve been lucky, in that we’ve gathered a group of personalities of people who, you know, for whatever reason, really want to help immigrants, either they themselves are an immigrant, their family member has been an immigrant and, and it’s really interesting to see how the people who have that deep passion for immigration and just sort of coalesced around us. And I think that, because our work is so important, and it’s so immediate, and it’s so win or lose yes or no, that the culture has sort of built, in spite of my lack of ability to really do it in a purposeful way.
Tyson Mutrux
I think you’re discounting too much by saying it’s luck. And where are you finding these people? Or how are they finding you? Because I think this is an important factor. This is that you found people that are passionate about what you will do as a firm. So how are they finding you? Well,
Jim Hacking
that’s an interesting question. I mean, I think it really is a law of attraction. You know, one of our best employees was a client of ours, and it was a client of ours. And so, you know, obviously, my wife is an immigrant. And then she had some friends, one who’s a lawyer who wanted to start doing meaningful work, and one who was an immigrant herself, who wanted to help us out if she could, and, you know, I’ll take that passion and that drive, and that, you know, quality person over a skill set any day, if I own a restaurant, I’d much rather have brand new people who had never worked in a restaurant before then people who had bad habits and had, you know, their own way of doing things. You know, I want people to do things the way we do things here. And I want happy people and positive people and I think that’s, that’s always what I’m gonna go for. I’m also always gonna go for people who have overcome something. So really, in most interviews, I don’t ask a lot of questions. The one question I almost always ask is, tell me, one thing that you really overcome and how you did it. Okay,
Tyson Mutrux
so here’s the question. I’ve got it. for you about that, and I know this isn’t about hiring this podcast episode isn’t, but I think it’s interesting. How do you deal with the candidates that you might miss that, that have overcome big things that either don’t really want to tell you about it because it’s a job interview, or that have such a positive outlook that they don’t consider much as an obstacle that they’ve had to overcome. They just move on, they just, okay, see something, they assess the situation? And they, they, you know, adjust from there, like, how do you deal with that, because I think you may be missing out on some really good candidates.
Jim Hacking
Well, you can’t hire everybody. And one thing that’s been interesting, you know, a month and I took a look at the team about six months ago, and I realized that everyone that I had hired, you know, periodically, whenever I hired them, they were all a lot like me, and we realized that everyone that Imani hired, we’re all a lot like her. So she and I always have this sort of internal yin and yang kind of conflict or interaction between, you know, I’m sort of more touchy feely kind of person or rah rah kind of person and Amani is more like you and wanting to get, you know, the details on how do we get this done. And so, I don’t really view hiring as, you know, missing out on somebody, if I miss out on someone, then well, it just wasn’t meant to be. And you know, you and I were talking before we got on the air. And I think this is a really big approach a really big important part of the approach of, of everything with the firm, and that is that, you know, no regrets, man, no regrets about anything about any decisions I made. You know, eight years ago, I was renting space from some attorneys, I was out on my own for the first time I’d been out for about two or three years, and I decided to become partners with those guys. And they were nice, guys, but it just didn’t work out and, you know, device, spend a moment now thinking about, oh, boy, that was a really bad mistake. But I spent that year and a half of those guys, I learned things I grew. And it was what I needed at the time. And so, you know, always with whether it’s a new hire, or a case I didn’t take or a case I lost or whatever, you know, the mindset is always next, next, move on learn, and grow and develop and, you know, fix it for the next time.
Tyson Mutrux
You know, and it’s something that this relates to that Jason, so he was on our last episode he somebody he didn’t talk about that I thought was really awesome. Whenever we’re out to this conference in Vegas, he says he tells a story about a baseball player and the baseball player is up to that, and strikes out takes third strike with two runners on and his team’s down by a run. So it’s a big deal. He is taken third strikes a really big deal. Bad mistake for people that are not baseball fans, especially when you have runners on. So the entire time he running out to his left field is running out to the outfield. And he’s he’s thinking oh my gosh, I really screwed up. You know, we’re gonna lose the game now because I didn’t hit the ball, strike. And then as he’s thinking about that crack ball comes his way. He gets delayed jump because he’s thinking about striking out and he goes in, he dies and he misses that ball goes to the wall. So they get a runner on second now because he’s not paying attention. Sorry. So that compounds because the next batters up, nice thing about man is truck out. I gotta lead jump on that. But it was the wall. And the thing, man, the press was going to kill me after this game, crack another one ball comes his way, another late jump misses that one compound. And that’s the wrong mindset. And he sort of talked about this is no matter if you’ve had really good successes, or you’ve had failures. Next thing you think about is head up, knees bent, ready for the next batter. That’s how you need to approach things. And that’s exactly what you’re talking about no regrets. Listen, you make mistakes, and you’re going to have successes, but knees bent, head up, ready for the next batter on every single thing every single day, every single win every single loss, you need to be thinking the same way. Something I want to talk about when we were talking about with your employees. It’s really kind of interesting. So I’m not sure if you’ve ever read anything about this. But Jack Welch, when he started hiring, has four ears and one tea. And I’m pretty sure you summed up the way you were looking for your employees the way he does, he looks for energy, what’s their energy level? How they energize other people, their edge and the edge means you’ll making tough yes or no decisions quickly and stick into it. execution. So executing on what you’re doing. And then passion for the work, I think is really interesting. That’s basically what you described, and not necessarily those words. I think it’s important. That doesn’t mention experiences experience important at some point. Yes. But I think when you’re looking for a new hire, you can for the most of what we do, we can train people, and they can get that experience on the job. So I want to talk about something else. What I did was we were talking to pulled up just sort of the cliff notes on Delta. Great. And I think it’s a nice little outline for people looking to build that that long term firm. What are your thoughts on B hags?
Jim Hacking
I think having a big hairy audacious goal is a noble thing. And sticking with the baseball analogy, I’m more a singles guy I’d rather I’m up for having a big hairy audacious goal as long as someone is practical enough to break it down into small steps, I’m a firm believer in daily improvement. That’s why I like that book, The Slight Edge so much. I think it’s great to have a goal as goals as a person and as an organization. But I think that, you know, one trap for me often is that I get so excited and and so enthusiastic that I focus on it for a little bit, and then I sort of go on to the next thing. So I think behaviors are important, but I think they’re also a trap.
Tyson Mutrux
I sort of agree with you. I think that the hags are extremely important. I really do. I think that the you having that unified goal as a firm, it can really unite you. And I think it’s a really, really important thing. For example, we had the 250, jury trials and tenures. And that had that created a buzz within their firm saying oh my gosh, it’s prefer our cases to them. That had a buzz in the firm, I think it was a lot of benefits. Where I agree with you is if you pick the wrong day, you’re setting your firm off on a terrible course you can, you can destroy your firm, I think if you choose the wrong B hag, and so I think you have to be really be careful on choosing the big hairy, audacious goal. Because if you if you don’t have your mind, right, if your team not unified on that goal, I think you’re gonna screw the whole thing up. That’s where I agree with him that, you know, something else he talks about in these these companies of last a long time. And for people who have read build to last Have you read a Jimmy? have indeed. Okay, so it’s a thick book, and it’s dense is what I mean by by thick. I mean, it’s, it is not a fast read, in my opinion. But he compares these really big massive companies that have lasted over 50 years, and then their competitors, and the ones that didn’t last and compare like, Okay, what was it? What were the characteristics that really allowed for them to last a lot. And, you know, one of the one that really interests me is they embrace the genius of the and so one of the examples is lower costs or better service, have that lower cost, and better service and embracing that and getting all of what you want, instead of, you know, compromising. So I think I think that’s really interesting. Because I think, as attorneys, when we have we might think sometimes is that we have to do the or, you know, we we can’t we have to charge really high fees and give really good service or, you know, we can be a low volume firm and do it that way. And I don’t think it really has to work that way. So what are your thoughts on that?
Jim Hacking
I think it’s a good mindset. I think that striving for the end is a good thing. I think that, you know, we’re always trying to define ourselves. And if we can come up with an innovative way or a productive way to to provide legal services in a way that people are thrilled with our service. And that’s just going to make all the parts of the before, during and after unit work better. So yeah, I’m all for that.
Tyson Mutrux
ever asked us questions we’re getting we’re getting pretty close to time. And 25 years, where’s your firm,
Jim Hacking
25 years, my firm has offices across the country where the biggest law firm for immigration when it comes to family based immigration, you know, there’s there are law firms that do immigration, I see us shedding even practice areas within immigration over the next couple of years. And growing to a situation where we have sort of all of our systems built out in this sort of franchise model of you know, if an immigration attorney wants to open up a firm like ours, in another cities, and we’re going to be able to walk in and show them all the ways to market to practice to produce legal work, and to continue doing battle with the US Immigration Service.
Tyson Mutrux
Interesting. I like it. I like it. All right. Well, you want to sort of wrap things up?
Jim Hacking
Well, I noticed you avoided saying where your phone was going to be 25 years from now?
Tyson Mutrux
Well, you didn’t ask me the question. I didn’t avoid it. I wasn’t just gonna volunteer it. I know exactly where my firm is going to be in 25 years. i This is a part of my vision, I want to have the and I’m very, very careful in how I chose my wording on this. Because I this is something that I look at every single day. And I think about every single day, because it’s part of the training that Jason self teaches. I want to have the most successful personal injury law firm in the Midwest. And I’ll give you some specifics to very vague, but I don’t necessarily want the largest law firm in the Midwest. I don’t necessarily hold a lot of the personal injury firms that are the largest firms in high regard for a variety reasons, but I wouldn’t have the most successful but what I do want to point I have an office in every major city in the Midwest and in my definition of Midwest is basically every state, Missouri and then every state that touches the state of Missouri, and then I’ll also go up to Wisconsin and Michigan I would include Ohio to expand a little bit for the most part the core would be Missouri in the states and surrounding Missouri is my thinking of it. I don’t want the franchise model I want to be the first In running it and still involved in it, and 25 years and making big decisions, I think that that’s, that’s the part that I enjoyed the most.
Jim Hacking
Well, if you go to Ohio, you’re gonna have to partner up with all of our friends if they we sure have a lot of good friends in the Cleveland and Toledo area.
Tyson Mutrux
Yeah, the title likely saying that they’ve heard they don’t. I doubt that they’re all good people. So I’m sure they would welcome it. So, Jimmy, so let’s wrap things up. Before we do, I want to remind everyone to please go to the Facebook group join there. I had been very busy the last couple days. And so I hadn’t, I have not gone on it until this morning. And I was like, Oh my gosh, like there’s so much going on. It runs itself at this point, which I think is awesome. So go there, get involved in the discussion. We’re actually by the time you listen to this, they will be over. But we’re having Sandy van on this afternoon to talk about her systems and how she uses virtual assistants, which I think seems really freaking awesome. She has between 60 and 70 virtual assistants at any given time working on cases, which is insane, just to think about. So if you need a lot of fun. Also, if you will go to iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts and give us a five star review. It helps people find us and so we want to spread the love. So Jimmy, what’s your hack of the week?
Jim Hacking
Well, you’re right about the Facebook group. I’ve been posting some things in there the last couple of days, and a lot of other people are friendly. So friend down in Florida, she’s sort of jumped right in, and she’s posting every other day with really good questions. So it was fun to have her on the show. One of the things I posted about was a Dean Jackson episode, where he had a real estate agent on and they were talking about becoming the mayor of their community. And so I really encourage people to check out that episode of the more cheeseless whiskers podcast. But for my tip of the week, or my hack of the week, I should say, I’m reading a book called The Fifth Discipline. It’s by a guy named Peter sangee. And it came out probably about 10 years ago when it’s about having a learning organization. So when I was reading the book, I was thinking about Mike Whalen and thinking about his big thoughts about things. And I think this is great for a firm that’s growing and sort of wants to take that next step and, and have a learning organization where you’re sort of bigger than the sum of the parts of all your employees and you’re really making the most use of everybody’s best talents. And so far, the books pretty good.
Tyson Mutrux
I like it. Alright, Jimmy, so let me ask you a question. You like to look good.
Jim Hacking
I always look good.
Tyson Mutrux
So what I asked you, because, you know, I have differing opinions on that fact. But do you like do you like to look good? Or do you like to feel good? Did you look good? Okay, so Me too. Me too. So I tested out an app recently it’s called M isn’t Mike Taylor T AI Lor and it is cool. So you what you can do is you can go onto this app and I cuz I think I mean a part of you know, trying cases if I go in there looking like a slob it doesn’t look good, right? The juries can hold that against my client, whether whether we like it or not, they’re going to and so like you know what, I’m gonna go and check out this M Taylor. I don’t remember where I saw it. I saw it somewhere in sight check it out. It is a really cool app. So it takes a picture of you. And I think a video of you because you’re it must be a video because it has you spin and hold your arms in a certain way so we can get your measurements and it is incredible. And so got my clothes look amazing. That really cool. So I check that check it out in Taylor, I think the perfect app for attorneys. Maybe we’re sitting in court and you measure yourself one time and then once you’ve done that you can order pants you can order your suits you can order your shirts whatever it may be nice and coordinate say I need to update my wardrobe and boom done. So I think that that we don’t really talk about wardrobe as much maybe we need to have someone to talk about fashion and just had a look in the courtroom. So I think that may be that could actually be pretty cool episode anyway. And Taylor, check it out. Jimmy anything else?
