In this episode Jim and Tyson discuss the struggle of being a solo or small firm lawyer and dealing with the obstacles that comes with the profession. Hacking’s Hack: I’ve really taken to this 20 minutes of inspiring content a day goal. You’re a sum of the people and content entering your brain. Choose positive and inspiring content to infuse in your brain. Tyson’s Tip: I’m considering a switch from Infusionsoft to Autopilot HQ. I’ve stumbled upon something called Jackfruit, you can create a Slack channel where a video is always running. It’s basically a video conference room for Slack. https://jackfruit.live/ For more content from us please subscribe to our Youtube Channel Don’t forget to sign up for MaxLawCon20! Thanks so much for listening to the show! If you want to know more about this and keep on maximizing your firm, please join our Facebook Group or like us on Facebook and comment! You can also go to MaximumLawyer.com or, if you’d prefer, email us at: info@maximumlawyer.com Interested in being on the show? Shoot us an email at support@maximumlawyer.com or message us on Facebook! Welcome to the Maximum Lawyer Podcast. Partner up, and maximize your firm.
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Transcripts: The Struggle with Jim Hacking & Tyson Mutrux
Jim Hacking
I will spend a half hour with someone at the start of the relationship, beating them down and getting them to accept that this is hard. And if they don’t accept that, I won’t take them on as a client, if I can tell that they’re not going to value, the work that we’re doing and how hard we are working for them, then it’s just not worth it. Okay, so it’s worth that.
Unknown Speaker
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Jim Hacking
Welcome to the show. Welcome back to the maximum ROI Podcast. I’m Jim hacking. Oh, my friend I just got back from Costa Rica. Had a great time we did ziplining. And we did. It was great. We did five zip lines in about two hours. It was a really great setup. But the second one, you actually they drove us to the top of this mountain. And I think that zipline had to be at least 45 seconds long. We were way up high and then went on and on and on. You’re up there thinking, oh my gosh, it’s just not going to end and you’re laying down like Superman. So it was a total total blast. The kids loved it. They were scared. But we all did it and it was a ton of fun.
Tyson Mutrux
That’s awesome. I have seen all your pictures on online on Facebook and you have a really good looking family if you aren’t in it. I mean your your family pictures are really really good. And then you got you on the end of these pictures and just kind of really like I wonder if if Amani is photoshopped you out and you think that she might want to do that.
Jim Hacking
You know, when I was on the beach, I should have done a Big Mike Albie kind of shot run laying down like a princess on the beach. I think that would have made a great picture.
Tyson Mutrux
That would have been great. No, all kidding aside, it really was like you had a lot of fun. Your the pictures didn’t look that great. I have never never done that, though. Where you’ve done a zip I have always wanted to but I’ve never done it. So I had to deal with Costa Rica, you would recommend it.
Jim Hacking
Yeah, it’s different. It’s not like Mexico, it’s more rustic. And we had this big Toyota Landcruiser. And I actually drove everywhere. So we didn’t Hoover it or anything. It’s pretty rough. But we had and you got to drive a lot of windy roads in the mountains. In the jungle. We we on the first day, we wrote ATVs in the jungle, and that was a total blast.
Tyson Mutrux
So is it like one of the flights like and how long is the flight in St. Louis? I’m assuming you can’t fly direct air. So how long have you total travel time?
Jim Hacking
Well, that’s the kicker. So the six of us and so we use our Southwest points. So all of us flew for a total of about $400. And it was a two hour flight to Houston and a 202 hour and 20 minute flight to Liberia. So it’s just one timezone behind us. So it couldn’t be any easier.
Tyson Mutrux
Nice. I like it. It looks good. You get some r&r. Are you a little bit refreshed? Yeah.
Jim Hacking
And then I had that moment. You know, that moment when you come back from vacation. And yesterday, I had great news and rough news on the revenue side, a client of mine is probably going to be indicted because he lied to USCIS. I don’t know if that’s gonna happen or not. But it looks like it’s pretty probable. And that was the bad news. But the good news was, I won a case at the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals that I argued back in November. So I’m really excited about
Tyson Mutrux
that. Very nice. Very cool. Hi, let’s jump in. Alright, so today’s topic
Jim Hacking
is sort of a carryover from the conference itself. And you and I haven’t had a solo episode since the conference. I think we both had had a great blast. Thanks, in large part to the hard work of everyone else who worked on putting the conference together. I think it was a big success. But I think that I, I might have opened up something, at least with me. When I talked from the stage, and I talked about vulnerability, you know, a lot of people probably eight or nine came up to me after the after the talk and said to me about something that they themselves were were suffering with, or were plotting through I had people who I thought were just doing fantastic. Tell me that economically. They were struggling. I had people talk to me about depression. I had people talk to me about a substance. And so right after that, I happened to be in Connecticut, and I had breakfast with Ryan McCain and I talked to him about that and about those conversations that I had. And I said Ryan, what percentage of our members do you think are suffering in one way or another? And he said, Oh, Jim 85 90%. And, and at first, I was really surprised now, I wasn’t that surprised, based on the conversations I just had, but if he had told me that ahead of time, I just wouldn’t have believed it. And I think that I might have been living in a bit of a bubble. And I thought that you know Are there a lot of lawyers, obviously, there’s lots of lawyers. And then in our group, we have sort of a self selecting group of people who are actively trying to improve actively trying to get better. But I didn’t realize the depths of some people’s lows. And I get it, I totally get it. I, you know, I talked in my talk about some of the low points in my career as a law firm owner. And I just think it’s something that we need to talk about, on the show and in the other work that we’re doing. Because when you and I talk about things like this, when, when we had Taylor on, and we talked about, you know, the hard life of running a business, and when he when he had Ryan’s counselor on back in the day, those are some of our best episodes. So I wanted to talk to you about it with you today.
Tyson Mutrux
Yeah, and I think it’s, I think it’s a good topic. I definitely do. I think we, as attorneys were conditioned to brag about ourselves, we’re that’s like, that’s all the marketing that we see on TV is attorneys essentially bragging about themselves, I think that we are conditioned to do the exact same thing is just talking about ourselves, and talking about how great we are, even if it’s not quite true. And so there’s this, I think there’s this thinking that, you know, we’re looking at other people, they’re not struggling, they’re doing great, they’re getting all these big judgments, they’re getting all these big settlements, they’re winning their family law cases, you know, they’re they’re getting all these estate planning cases, and doing just fine, when the reality it was was some of the reality of it, especially those of us who do mitigation stuff that don’t deal with the issue of like, our schedules can be fairly hectic, you know, we don’t necessarily get to pick our schedule all the time. I mean, if I had my way, I don’t set my jury trials on a certain day of the year, I’d be able to start the jury trials at a certain time, I would have all these different limitations, but I don’t I don’t get to pick that stuff. And there are, we have defense lawyers, at least for us that are file ridiculous motions that I’ve gotta go and argue that even though they’re, they’re ridiculous motion that you really think you’re gonna win, you’re stressed out about it, you got clients that are mad at you all the time. Sometimes you do. every once awhile, everyone has a client to get mad at them, right. And so these become very stressful things. Because if you compare lawyers to other professions, and there are other professions or seminars, but we have an acting over a handle at all times. And that acts as a controller bar complaint. And even if it’s not true, we still have to respond to it real stressful. I’ve talked to several lawyers where they’ve had bar complaints, and it was all ridiculous stuff, and nothing ever happened with them. But it is an extremely stressful time for them. And this is something that we face every single day. And I think that that’s a reality that we probably need to address need to talk about. And I’m just talking, I didn’t even get to the stuff where the struggling part, I’m just I’m just a daily day, day to day stuff that we have to deal with, then you start talking about, okay, being able to make payroll, you know, being able to pay your bills, dealing with your spouse, I mean, there are all these other factors in our lives that we’re dealing with on a daily basis. That really, I’m sure as I’m saying this, are stressing people out there thinking about it. I mean, that was part it’s funny, because you’re, you’re talking about the struggle and everything else. And it was really hit home for a lot of people. And then I started my talk with a very similar thing about those things that we struggle with, and then they and so it’s stressful for all of us. It really, really is. And I think we’ve got to find ways to cope with it, but it doesn’t, it doesn’t affect us more than it should. So I think this is a really good topic. Honestly, you and I don’t think know where this topic is gonna go. This is just a topic that we’re, we’re going to experiment with and see what happens.
Jim Hacking
Yeah, you know, a couple years ago, one of my kids got diagnosed with ADHD. And part of that was because he was having all this conflict with one of his teachers. And, you know, I think that professions, draw people of certain personality types to those professions. And I think one of the reasons he was having trouble with his teachers, because this teacher became a teacher because she liked order in her classroom, she likes structure. And these are all things that he sort of rebelled against and didn’t like. So I think with lawyers, too, that there’s certain people drawn to the law, and then there’s even people that are drawn to starting a firm, and then they’re drawn to certain practice areas, and that those things that make us good lawyers are drawn to the law are also things that make us vulnerable to you know, just swelling things and sucking it up and taking all these pressures for a client on your back. And I think that that’s sort of a trap for us. And I think that, you know, a lot of us do deal with pretty stressful situations, you and Gary and the other people doing personal injury. I mean, you’ve basically got someone’s future on the line, and you know, you’re fighting for them again. So all those things that you mentioned that make life more difficult than they need to be, and for me, you know, we’re trying to change the course of people’s lives by helping them with an immigration benefit. And, you know, everybody has a reason why they’re doing what they’re doing. But we are taking on the stresses of other human beings. And there’s, there’s an energy that shifts there. I think that when we take that stuff on,
Tyson Mutrux
well, how do you deal with it? I so I think that one of the problems is that we do take on the stresses of our clients, how do you deal with them?
Jim Hacking
Well, honestly, one of the ways I deal with it as I eat too much, and so, you know, that’s something you know, when we’re talking about people struggling, that’s sort of my coping mechanism is I, I work real hard, and then I live life on the run, and I eat out more than I should, and I don’t plan. And so you know, that’s the negative coping way the positive coping wages. As I told him, before, we got on the call, as I’ve been getting up earlier, I’m an exercise. And each morning, I’ve been journaling. And I’ve been reading books that inspire me, trying to do that for 20 minutes, each of those things every day, and then trying to get some other regular exercise and really working on my health a little bit more than I have been. So there’s lots of ways to do it. But as you as you always tell me, you know, you got to prioritize it, and you got to put it on the calendar, otherwise, it’s not going to happen.
Tyson Mutrux
Yeah. And that’s something that Jason stuck, it taught me and just, and that was, that’s helped me quite a bit when it comes to dealing with stress. Because what I used to do, and it still happen, it’s like, it doesn’t still happen. But I, I used to, you know, put these things on my calendar, or I used to, like happy, like my top five for the day. And I just wouldn’t get I wouldn’t get more done. And it would just me off show much. I would beat myself up. And it just stopped. But you know, one thing he did, he says, Listen, take your three things. No, no more than three things, the thing you got to do every day, put them on your calendar, and then do them. And they’re the things that are going to move you towards your vision. And once you do those, it’s great. And the other thing is, is that you you reward yourself for doing good. And you you identify the times that you are doing well, because you’re done well. And it really does, like whenever you do you just take a second every morning and think about the things that you do well that you’ve done well, in the last 24 hours, just three things. It makes you feel good, man. I mean, like it’s like, it really is something that you’re like, you know what? Yesterday was shitting. But it wasn’t that bad. I did, okay, you know, because like there’s every single day, you’ve done something to move the ball forward, it could have been the most smallest thing. I mean, there were times where I felt like I was just being an awful father because I was jury trials. And I was up late and didn’t see him at all. But you know, you stopped to think about you know what, I did a really good thing yesterday and providing for my family. I did well and try and and trial. There’s a variety things that I did well, you know, and so I can’t beat myself up for it. And so we have to stop and start to think about, okay, what are the things that we’re doing because we’re, I talked about this at the conference. When people listen to this podcast, our high achievers, that’s why they listen to podcasts. That’s why they go to the conference. That’s why they’re in the Facebook group. They’re trying to improve. And we sort of got to get over this thought that we’re not, we’re not that great. We’re all great, we’re good. We’re good at what we do. We’re gonna what we do for a reason. And let’s say, let’s say in reality, you’re really not that good yet, but you’re working on getting better. That’s good, you’re improving. Reward yourself for that, identify that and tell yourself, hey, this is okay. I’m doing well. It’s good. I think. I think that that’s something that we need to change as a profession is beating ourselves up so much. Well, you know, it’s
Jim Hacking
interesting, you asked me how I deal with stress. And you and I’ve been friends for a really long time, I don’t think I’ve ever seen you lose your temper. You’ve never come to me and said, Well, I’m really down and you have a very positive attitude.
Tyson Mutrux
How do you deal with stress? Well, I think I think part of it is honestly I’ve got a high level of confidence, which I think is important. I think that stems from my parents, you know, they definitely built incompetence in which is a good thing. I’ve got this mindset, that sort of, it’s all gonna be okay. I know it sounds really simple, but I’ll be honest with you, I woke up in the middle of night last night, I was stressed out about a couple of cases. And I just said you know, it honestly, the reality is this, the things I stressed about are not that they’re not that big of a deal. They’re really not. There’s just things that I’ve got to deal with that are on the plate, and I just had to you know, it’s all gonna be okay. No, and I rolled over all that. I mean, like, it sounds so ridiculous, but I don’t let things get to me the way other people do. We’ve got a good piece of advice I got from a friend A while ago, and I was really just taking on a case and taking it personally. And it was me it was really emotional for me. And he says, You know what, for for your clients, you got to be very clinical about kind of like, kind of like the word doctor, which was a patient. And it was really, really good advice. Because what we tend to do is, we can get emotional, we can live these cases. And it’s not fair to our family, and it’s not fair to us. Especially on the criminal offense side, I would take a lot of that personally, knowing that these people had a lot of times gotten themselves into the situation. And so I would take that personally, and I would like to take it home with me and, and it just wasn’t fair to my family. So I think that if you can just take, take that time to just tell yourself, it’s gonna be okay. But I also I have protected my personal time changed what I’ve done, I like early on, it was really stressful for me to head on content, my cell phone to like, give me all the time I I remember one time answering a phone call two in the morning, and I was in bed with my wife, and got out of bed to talk to a bail bondsman about a client that she’s bailing out of jail. I mean, like, it was stupid, I was doing stupid things like that. But I’ve now put barriers around my family where I spend time with my family, I lived in some people getting it’s crazy, I leave the office every single day, at five o’clock, and go home, if I had to get more work done, I’ll get it done later at night. But I go home, and I have dinner with my family. And now if I’m traveling, if there’s an exception to that, but whenever I’m at the office, I I guard that family time on the weekends, I work whenever my family is doing other things I don’t but I don’t take time away from the family to work, if that makes sense. So setting up as many batteries as I can to protect the family and my personal time, is what’s helped me quite a bit.
Jim Hacking
I think that analogy of thinking like a doctor is a good one. Obviously, doctors deal with stresses, probably more serious than ours. And, you know, one of the things that I tell the lawyers here in our office, and when I talk to money about cases is you know, our job is just to do our best. We can’t control every outcome, we can’t win every case. We’ve, we’re in the we’re in the battlefield, we’re taking the fight to them, and we’re doing our best. And we have to let go the result, we just have to rest assured that we did everything we could. And sort of that is something I think that helps alleviate some of that stress.
Tyson Mutrux
Raise that one of the stressors though, and that you we can’t control the outcome are these a lot of these are determined by a jury or by a judge when and it can be a 5050 decision. But the clients expect so much more because of the movies that they’ve seen. And because of the the advertising that they’ve seen on TV.
Jim Hacking
Yeah, I think there’s some of that stuff. But I mean, that all goes to maintaining control over client expectations. You know, you set your expectations low at the beginning, you don’t promise too much. And, you know, I refuse to take on clients now who are not standing beside me understanding exactly how hard it is, I will spend a half hour with someone at the start of the relationship, leading them down and getting them to accept that this is hard. If they don’t accept that I won’t take them on as a client, if I can tell that they’re not going to value the work that we’re doing and how hard we are working for them, then it’s just not worth it. No cases worth that.
Unknown Speaker
Well, how do you Okay, so and I get that? I think that’s the best strategy. And so what’s your advice to some younger lawyers that are just getting into this that aren’t comfortable doing that yet? I mean, they, they want the money, they want the case?
Tyson Mutrux
Maybe my advice would be the money is not not as important as you think it is. It’s really not I know, right? Now, you’re, you’re looking at your family, and you’re thinking I’ve got to pay the bills, I get that. But the trouble that’s gonna cause you on the flip side, if you take that case, if you’re not willing to stand your ground, but what it can be far worse than the money you’re gonna get. Do you have any other tips or advice to those, those younger lawyers or lawyers that have been doing it for 10 years, and they’ve got a table full of faces that are like that, and that they’re driving them crazy? Do you have any advice to those people? Well, every
Jim Hacking
client that’s in your office with every file that you have is someone that you’ve made the decision to do business business with you, you signed him up, and so you’ve got to think of a better filters. You know, there was really interesting discussion in the group the other day, about warning signs for potential new clients. I think that the best solution to having problematic clients, you know what it is? I think it’s to have more clients and I know that sounds simplistic, but if your net is so small that you’re having to take on all the the difficult clients, I think it’s okay to have a few difficult clients. But if your whole practice is being run by difficult clients That just means to me that your marketing is not good enough, you’re not spending enough time on your marketing, you need to spend more time generating more interest in what it is that you do so that you have a bigger net to pick from. When it comes to selecting new clients, you should view it as you selecting clients of them, trying to get you to hire them to get you the ability to do business with you, as opposed to just grabbing whoever comes in. I know that sounds simplistic, but I’d rather you spend more time marketing and developing your marketing skills and taking on a crappy case is just going to make you bang your head on the wall for a soft tissue, motorcycle or car case that, you know, you’re you could spend that time much more wisely trying to build up your marketing, and growing your list of potential clients.
Tyson Mutrux
I think it’s so funny, your default is to blame it on marketing. My default is your systems aren’t good enough, it’s still to those days, just playing with it completely differently. Alright, so
Jim Hacking
shift gears a little bit. So I was talking to Maddie, and I’m talking to Maddie Marvin, yesterday, our friend of the show from Smith AI and by the way, their intent on advertising on this program, it looks like we’ll get them on in a formal way. In the next couple of weeks of advertising on shows we’re excited about that I enjoy working with a lot. And I was talking to her about the same topic that you and I was in a mood Yesterday, I talked to my my Workout Trainer about it about people struggling and I talked to Maddie about it. And she said, you know from her perspective, she sees some things that sort of are eye opening for her. And she says you know, so she’s on the conference circuit. She’s at lawyer conferences all the time. And what she said is that she sees lawyers who’ve been all bottled up at home, and they get sort of out in some other foreign town. And they just sort of let loose in a crazy way. And so her mom is a therapist. And so Maddie grew up hearing from a psychological counselor or mom about all these different struggles that people were having. So when she goes to these conferences, DC people sort of let loose and maybe not making the best choices. So that was an interesting perspective that I thought
Tyson Mutrux
that’s interesting. I don’t think that that’s any different than other professions. Really? I don’t I don’t think that it’s not like we’re any different than maybe we are. But I don’t I don’t think we are i i didn’t think the people at our conference. I mean, I think some dads and most didn’t, I don’t I don’t think that that’s necessarily true. I don’t completely disagree with it. But I think there’s a there’s some truth to it. But is there is some trigger what’s what’s the reason for that?
Jim Hacking
She wasn’t saying that it was anything unusual, or abnormal from the community, she was just saying that she sees sort of a lot of hard drinking and partying and that there are certain conferences she did. And she said, not ours at all, but that there’s certain conferences that are sort of built that way that if you’re not out partying at three in the morning, you’re not part of the fun team, and you might not get business out of it. So it’s just an observation.
Tyson Mutrux
What do you think? What do you think the reason for that? Is there? I mean, is there a reason for it is a distress because of just trying to bury the straps or? or something? Oh, yeah,
Jim Hacking
I think so. I mean, you and I are the kind of guys who go to conferences, and we may or may not go out at night, because we’re working on the ideas that we’ve had, and we want to talk to our wives and our children. So I think that part of this is lost on us. But there’s definitely a culture in some of these conferences where you know, you don’t go to the sessions. You drink card all night and party and then you sort of stumble in the next day and brag about how messed up you were. I remember one time, back in my old days when I was a maritime lawyer, believe it or not, I go to a barge convention, every wall in New Orleans. And I remember one time, the speaker couldn’t appear that next morning at the conference because he’d been arrested with a prostitute. So
Tyson Mutrux
you know. They’re just oblivious to it. Wow. That the story right there. I can’t I wouldn’t want to go home to his wife. Oh, my gosh. Well, I mean, okay, so some of it is the decisions that we make, right? I mean, I guess all maturity, the decisions that we make, I mean, there’s mostly seven we that we’ve done to ourselves that we’ve either chosen to do, or chosen not to do. And so I think isn’t a lot of just choice, like doing the right and doing not doing the right things or doing certain things and not doing other things.
Jim Hacking
Sure. And I think it also reflects maybe, uh, not taking care of yourself on a daily basis. So you feel like you have to go crazy because you’ve been bottled up and restrained for so long. You know, if that’s how you’re going about your day where you’re feeling like you’re on this grindin Oh, I’m gonna, I’m gonna let loose now that I’m, I’ve got a little bit of freedom, I think you’re setting yourself up for problem.
Tyson Mutrux
Yeah, and I think there’s a lot of truth and all that, I mean, when doing the daily thing a little bit by little bit, that moving forward, like it’s okay to, you know, grab a glass of bourbon a day every other day or something like that it’s fine. But having that full full handle of bourbon on a Saturday night and conference, probably a bad idea. So, you know, it’s doing things in moderation, I think it’s also just doing the things you need to do every single day first try to binge and we do, some of us. And this is something that’s fine all the time, there’s like, procrastination can be a problem for me. So I’ll wait, wait, wait, and then do everything at one time. It’s better, it’s far better, like with your videos, doing them daily, like I like to batch my videos, you like to do them every single day, and it’s probably a lot less stressful for you. You’re doing it every single day.
Jim Hacking
Yeah. So I mean, I don’t want to be all gloom and doom and gloom and everything. And I just think that it’s, it’s important for us to acknowledge that people are having a hard time and that, you know, we’re here as a resource for people. When we opened up the first conference, I talked about a friend of mine who had killed themselves. And so, you know, this is this is real stuff. So, you know, obviously, we’re not professionals, if you need professional help, we want you to go ahead and get that. But at the same time, if you need to just talk about something or shoot the breeze or, you know, pick our brain, I think you and I both be open to, you know, helping whoever we can if there’s someone struggling with something.
Tyson Mutrux
Absolutely. And if you stole my stuff, and bullshit presentation, I’m not gonna yell at you. Just so yeah, if you want to reach out to either one of us, we’re both open hearing about it. We will give you as much guidance as you want, or as little as you want. If you just want to talk to us, we’ll listen to you and shut up. So I think that I think that listening is a very important thing we talk a lot of for years and listening. We’re here for you. Genuine wrap up.
Jim Hacking
Yeah, let’s do it. So for my hack of the week, I’ve really taken to this 20 minutes of reading or listening to, I wouldn’t say positive stuff, but just stuff that inspires me. And, you know, they say that you are a sum of the people that you surround yourself with, and in the books that you read the information that is coming into your brain. Since I turned off the news and turn to books that I find motivating and inspiring. I think my outlook has changed. And I think sometimes you have to sort of combat that depression or combat that sadness or combat that negative attitude with actual infusions of of good messages and positive messages and inspiration for change. So I would encourage people that if they can, to turn off some of that noise in the back of your heads on that stuff. That’s, that’s just wasted energy and, and find things that inspire you or motivate you to make
Tyson Mutrux
positive changes. I like it. Very cool. I like the message. All right. So before I get to my tip, I want to remind everyone to go to the Facebook group, get involved there. There’s a lot of activity going on every single day. It’s insane. How many how much communication is going on. It’s really great. Also, if you don’t mind go into iTunes or wherever your podcast gets a five star review. That definitely helps spread the love. Alright, so my tip of the week is actually something I found late last night as I was doing some work and I was I am Jimmy and considering a switch from from Infusionsoft to autopilot HQ is something you’ve been using. I had a long conversation with Kelsey Bratcher on Sunday night. We talked about the different products. There are some features that are definitely better without autopilot h2, I still love Infusionsoft. But there’s some things I’m not satisfied with the way the company is headed is basically bottom line. So I think I’m making the switch on autopilot HQ ever made that decision yet was probably something. But upon looking for integrations, everything I stumbled upon something that has nothing to do with autopilot HD or vision stuff. It has to do with black, and the name of the product is jackfruit. It is free. I don’t know if you’ve heard of this, Jimmy. But you can create a Slack channel where the video is always running. And so if let’s say you’ve got virtual teams like we do, we’ve got a lot of remote workers. You can jump into that slack channel real quick. If you want to see your beer or anyone else’s in that channel at the time. You can communicate kind like you’re at the watercooler. I think it’s kind of cool. We’re gonna test it out over the next few weeks. Like it’s free and it’s was like a Microsoft thing. But I think it’s pretty cool. I think it’s, it’s something that I’ve been, I’ve been looking to find a way to connect the team a little bit more. And like, can we communicate a lot on Slack? But I think adding this visual elements and add a lot. That’s awesome.
Jim Hacking
I don’t know that I understand how it works. It’s called jackfruit. Yeah, jackfruit.
Tyson Mutrux
So basically what you do is, I created a channel just for that, in that I’m calling the channel meeting room. And so you just if you want to jump into the meeting room, and we can do this, even if we’re having team meetings we have we have a weekly training at 11am. Every single when Wednesday, and so we can do that the training and that if we want to we normally do it in blue jeans. For the record, I will probably keep doing that. But this is something where, you know, hey, Candace, I’m gonna want to talk to you about, you know, John Smith’s case. And so we’ll jump into it really quick. And we want to we don’t want to do it via slack, or via phone call. We need to jump in real quick. Have a quick conversation and then jump out now I can meet him in person.
Jim Hacking
I gotcha. That’s awesome. I’ll try. I’ll check it out. That’s pretty cool.
Tyson Mutrux
Alright, manforce has been it’s been interesting. This is a little different sort of episode. But I enjoyed it. It’s
Jim Hacking
I don’t necessarily want to do like these all the time. But I think from time to time checking in it’s good stuff.
Tyson Mutrux
I agree. I agree. We’ve had a lot of a lot of guests on laters it’s good to chat with you know, chat all the time anyway. Even if you’re being being whiny via text. Conduct.
