“Marketing Hacks” with Andy Stickel 195
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In 2012, Andy Stickel launched Social Firestarter, a new-age marketing firm that is giving companies of all sizes a huge marketing advantage. Social Firestarter helps clients define their brand, personality, and image, and it helps them to market successfully (and often repeatedly) to today’s discerning consumer. With his ample experience and his extensive knowledge of B2C and B2B engagement, Stickel helps businesses transform their social media “followers” into customers and repeat customers, helps company owners maximize their ROI, and provides the counsel, perspective, and innovation that marketers need in today’s rapidly-changing internet marketing environment.

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In today’s episode, we’re throwing it back to a presentation from Max law con 2019. Andy stickle, owner of the digital marketing agency social Firestarter shares 18 actionable strategies to get more clients today. Don’t forget to head on over to the website maximum To register for maxilla con 2020. So you can experience these speakers firsthand. Let’s get to it.

Andy Stickel
So all right, I got about 20 minutes, and I have 18 super sneaky marketing hacks that you guys can use today. So I’m going to just dive right into this. It’s gonna be kind of quick. So just a little bit about me. Like I said, my name is Andy stickle. I own a marketing agency called Social Firestarter. I oversee the marketing of about 50 law firms nationwide. Who hears in my Facebook group. Alright, a lot of people. Cool. So you see that the lawyer marketing Facebook group, I put a ton of content out there, I wrote the book, How To Get More law firm clients without losing time and money or getting screwed by a marketing company. Everybody should have a copy of that in your in your bags today. I also have a YouTube channel where I’ve got about, I don’t know close to 300 videos where I teach lawyers, actionable strategies about how you can get clients for your law firm. And that’s kind of what I’m all about and not about vague stuff. What I tried to do is I tried to teach actionable takeaways with every video. And that’s what this presentation is all about. So it’s gonna be really quick, it’s gonna be 18 actionable things that you can do to get more clients today. I’m also the anti marketer. I’m sick of all the bad information out there for marketing companies. I’m sure that since we’ve been sitting here, you’ve all gotten about 25 or 30 emails from people promising to get you on page one of Google. I hate that. And I think it’s annoying. I think everybody hates that. So I’m against that. And that’s why I do what I do. So alright, hack number one. Social proof is your absolute best friend testimonials, things like that. We have a client in Chicago, actually, it’s not a client anymore. We had a client, they’re a bankruptcy attorney, they ranked number one for Chicago bankruptcy attorney Chicago, chapter 11, all the different bankruptcy keywords that you would want to rank for. But they weren’t getting phone calls. They were ranking in the map. So we started taking a look at their at their listings. And we realize they only had five testimonials only had five reviews on their Google profile. So what we and we also noticed that the other two lawyers that were in the maps, one of them had 10 testimonials. And the other one had 15 reviews. So I gave my client a homework assignment, I was like you need to go out, and you need to get 20 reviews. So you have a total of 25 reviews, because I had this theory that if they had the most reviews, then they would get phone calls. Because I don’t know what you whenever I’m on Amazon, if there’s two products that are similar similar writing similar products, similar price, the first thing I do is I look at how many reviews does each thing have. So the one that has more reviews typically is the one that I buy. So I kind of figured that maybe people treat lawyers like this as well. So they went out, they actually listened to me, they actually got the reviews, they got 25 reviews the next week, and the following week was the busiest week in the history of their law firm. And the only thing that changed was the fact that they got these 25 reviews. So social proof is your best friend. I also use social proof everywhere I go. So I hate going to conferences. And a lot of times I see conferences, and I see the strategy and the sound good. But a lot of times I tried it it doesn’t work, or the speakers don’t necessarily. I don’t I just feel like it’s not the there’s no credibility behind there. So I tried to use social proof with everything that I do. So I’m going to include some some testimonials of people that have actually used the strategies that I’m going to show you so I can show you that they do work and that if you actually take them they will work really well. So here’s a guy named Brian, he read the strategy that I put in my book, which you all got a copy of my book about how to get clients to leave you reviews when they actually say they will. Who here has ever had a client that has said oh yeah, thanks for thanks for this bajillion dollar settlement. I’m gonna go leave you a great review and then it never shows up. Is that a Ever Happened? Or is that unique? Okay, yes, a few people. So there’s a few ways to make it so that people will actually leave your reviews. And the cool thing is, is that you can actually, when you get these reviews, you’ll actually get better rankings in Google as well. So what I always do, what I tell my clients to do is you have to send them questions that are going to make their job easier and make it easier for them to leave reviews for you. And not only this, but when you have certain semantic keywords, basically related keywords and synonyms to the practice area and the geographical location that you’re that you’re practicing. You’ll also rank higher in your Google reviews. So here’s the questions that I always tell people to send. And you’ll get a copy of these if you go to lawyer, where you can take a picture, but the questions are always what was the problem? You have come to the law firm? Where do we represent you? That’s how you get the city and state in there? Why did you choose our firm? What do you like about working with our firm? What was the outcome of your case? And how has your life changed since achieving this outcome? The last question is very important, because you want to show others how their life has improved since getting the result that you’ve got them really important. Another thing is that and this is kind of controversial, every time I tell people this, you’ve got to incentivize people to give reviews because of the fact that at the end of the day, everyone has a what’s in it for me mentality. So that’s, that’s the main reason why you say hey, would you mind leaving me a Google review? And they say, Yeah, sure, I’ll definitely do it. And then they just go home, they don’t do it, they go home and life gets in the way kids are screaming, all that type of stuff where they can’t remember, God forbid, they can’t remember their Yelp password, and they just don’t leave you a review. So what you need to do is you need to incentivize them. And again, little controversial, but we have clients who will give out Starbucks gift cards, Target gift cards, Outback Steakhouse, gift cards, there’s not a lot that people won’t do for a bloomin onion these days. So basically, you know, you just have to incentivize them. And the reality is that is just as difficult for your competition to get these reviews as it is for you. And if they have 100, and you only have five, then you gotta get to work as they figured out a way to do it, and you’ve got to do it as well. So if you incentivize people, if you thank them for their taking the time to leave a review, not necessarily leaving a five star review, but thank them for taking the time to leave a review, then you’ll get much, much better results. We have a client in Pasadena, who they went from zero reviews to 48 reviews, in about three weeks just by giving out Starbucks gift cards, so works really well. And that was like three or four years ago, they still get ridiculous amounts of phone calls just because of that. Alright, hack number four, if you don’t have a big marketing budget, get an awesome business card. This is my business card right here. And what I like about this card is every time I give it out, the first thing anybody says to me is wow, that’s a really cool business card. And the reason this card is so cool is because nobody ever gives out business cards like this, everyone that gives out business cards, and I’m sure most of you just kind of have the white paper business card. That’s the same as everybody else. Right? So the difference with these cards is they’re they’re plastic, they feel like a credit card. This one’s cool, because it’s see through I had it designed on So cost me only five bucks to get it designed. And I get them from plastic I’m not affiliated with plastic printers. But basically what happens this business car loan has made me hundreds and hundreds 1000s of dollars because people feel bad throwing them away. I’ve actually had people tell me, I’ve gone to two lawyers offices, six months after giving them this business card. And I’ve asked them, Why do you still have it. And they say because I felt bad thrown away because it was so nice. So I’ve got a bunch of these just come up to me during the presentation, I’ll give you a business card so you can see what it’s all about. But you’ve got to do something different. Everyone you know, all of your competition is giving out the exact same business card when you’re not there, your business card is the only thing that is going to allow people to remember who you are and actually make you stand out. So you’ve got to make an account. Now these are more expensive, they’re probably about it depends on when you buy but they’re about $1 per card. So what I always tell lawyers is have two sets of cards. If there’s cards that you’re going to give out to prospects give them these and I get these from plastic don’t cheap out make sure to do plastic Because I’ve I’ve bought cheap ones and then crap. So and then have a second set of cards when you’re just giving to people that aren’t necessarily going to hire you like the ones you get from Vistaprint or wherever Hack number five, everyone opens lumpy packages. So Okay, quick story. About two years ago, I started getting all these letters about my tax lien problem. And it was news to me because I didn’t know I had a tax lien problem. So as all these attorneys that were sending me the same letters in a regular envelope, it said last myth of insert the law firm name, and it turns out that my accountant, excuse me, my ex accountant forgot to file our California tax returns for 2012 2013 and 2014. Oops. So anyway, what happened was I got started getting letters seen letters lawyer after lawyer after lawyer all of a sudden these letters Hey, let us help you with your tax lien. So I opened the first one because I was curious what it was. And then I called my accountant, I was like, hey, you need to handle this. And then I threw all the other ones away. And but there was no reason for me to open any of them. And then a couple of days later I got a letter. I got a package from Vistaprint. Has anyone gotten a thing where they send you the free pen in the mail for your business? Who here did not open that package? Okay, everybody opened the package. So the hardest thing about sending this Mail, whether you send people who have opened file for bankruptcy or pre foreclosure or got arrested or whatever you’re sending letters to, you’ve got to get them to open the package. That’s the most important thing of the game. And once again, just like the business card you want to stand out. So what you need to do is make it a lumpy package, put a pen in there, put a stress ball in there, put whatever you can to make them open the package, because Curiosity will get the best of them. And that will make them open the package and you have a better chance of getting them to call you and book a consultation and then retain you, if they actually look at your stuff. And you’re not wasting your money either. Some people are going to, you know, it’s going to cost a little bit more money than just spent just sending a regular letter. But, you know, if you look at actual return on investment, this is way, way better. Alright, hack number six ad, I will call you back in 15 minutes to the end of your voicemail message. Now, I want to preface this by saying Your phone should never ever, ever, ever, ever go to voicemail, get a answering service. But if the stars align, and for some reason, the phone goes to voicemail. If you don’t have something like this in your voicemail, you’re not going to get Delete. Think about it this way. If your toilet is overflowing, and you call a plumber, and the plumber says Hi, this is plumber, Frank, I’m not here, leave me a message and I’ll call you back. Are you going to leave a message? Are you going to hang up and call the next plumber, most people are going to call the next plumber, right. And a lot of times when people call a lawyer, it’s an emergency situation. It’s almost like dialing 911 Somebody has been arrested, somebody’s been in an accident, somebody has been killed something, something along those lines. And people want to talk to somebody now their problems are immediate. So they’re not going to take the chance of just leaving you a message. But if you give them an expectation, if you say hey, this is Attorney John Smith, I can’t pick up the phone right now. But I do want to talk to you leave your name and information. And I will call you back within 15 minutes, then what you can do, you’ll you’ll get much, many more people will actually leave the information because they have that expectation of getting back to them within 15 minutes. Now, I know that you’re not going to always get back to that within 15 minutes. It’s not realistic, but it’s better to beg for forgiveness while talking to them than never getting the lead in the first place. Because most people will not leave voicemails. Another thing, get rid of the phone tree. How many people here like calling your bank who loves just calling and talking to the press one for this and press two for that your clients hate it to get rid of the phone tree. We doubled our clients intake in a single month, he didn’t even increase his phone calls. All he did was switch to an answering service that actually had somebody picking up the phone, rather than the press one for this press two for that press three for this. A lot of people always ask me about answering services. We always use voice nation and answer first for our clients. And they’re not bad. They’re not the best ones out there. I’ve never tested them all. But you know, if you need two recommendations, these are two that are solid that we’ve used. And again, I don’t get paid from them. Alright, so let’s talk about Facebook marketing, I’ve got some really good Facebook marketing hacks that I want to show you guys about Jim Asbill gave me a testimonial. Basically, what he was talking about is he just watched a lot of my videos followed my plan. And that’s how he got clients from social media. So Hack number eight is advertise solutions to small problems. A lot of times people just want to run an ad for yourself. And that’s not people don’t care, people don’t go to Facebook. To learn about you, what you want to do is you want to create solutions to small problems that your ideal clients have. And then when they have when they need an attorney for the bigger problem, that’s when they’ll call you. And you’ve already got kind of a warm introduction to them. So, for example, we had a traumatic brain injury client or client who was trying to get traumatic brain injury cases. So we created a guide to help people set up GoFundMe campaigns. Because when someone gets injured, usually they can’t work. And they need to make money. So we created a guide that teaches people how to set up a GoFundMe campaign so that their loved ones and their family members can help them pay for their medical bills. So what we did is we ran ads straight to that campaign. And we taught people how to do that. And that works really well because then it makes the warm introduction. And then when they actually need to hire an attorney for the personal injury matter, then they contact him. We also have for bankruptcy attorneys, we did one that was how to it was just a guide. And I talked to Walter about this, how to get bill collectors to stop calling because that’s one of the biggest things. Nobody wants a bankruptcy, right. But they want certain things. They want the bill collectors to stop calling them 24 hours a day. So if you help them solve a small problem, then you’ve given them some goodwill, and that will and then they’ll hire you for the bigger problem. This works so well. It works all the time. We do it all the time for our clients. All right, next thing when running Facebook ads, use pattern interrupts and I’ll show it a pattern interrupt is here. Who here has ever seen any of my ads on Facebook ever? All right. So you probably recognize these No, because I do this I do the same thing all the time. I always have at the very top Hey, lawyers, when I’m always doing that’s the pattern interrupt. I’m always calling out the demographic of who I’m targeting. So in the first three words it better say something like car accident or you know, hey lawyers or you know, going through a divorce is difficult. Whatever it is, you want to make sure that they see that. I also use a big red bar that says hate lawyers because red is not a Facebook color. You always want to look at the colors that contrast with the platform that you’re on. So YouTube has as red so I will do Is Blue probably on YouTube. But these three things and then the bottom, the headline, these three things are the things that I always test in all of my Facebook ads. And these are the things that if you’re going to test anything and pay special attention to anything in your Facebook ads in terms of getting people’s attention to get them to stop scrolling, and look at your stuff, it’s these things right here. So you’ve got to pay attention to these pattern interrupts. All right. This one is for Jim hacking immigration attorneys. All right, how can you target clients, if you’re an immigration attorney, that maybe you’re trying to go for people that are United States, the way you can do that is by targeting celebrities that are famous in the target countries. So for example, according to Mr., this guy named Shawn rune Khan never heard of him before, but he is the most famous celebrity in India. So if we’re running a campaign for something like h1 B visas, and we’re trying to get people, Indians that are living in the United States, and we’re trying to get in front of their Facebook page, what we would do is we would target this guy for people, you know, people that like this guy that live in the United States. And if you look at the targeting here, you can see it’s kind of small enough, you can see it, but there’s 35 million people that like this guy, have an interest in this guy, and 61% of them live in India. So that means that this guy is pretty popular in India. So when someone moves from India, and comes here, their interests don’t go away, they still have all those interests that they liked when they went then when they lived in India. So you can target people that are famous in countries in the home countries of the types of people that you’re targeting, it works really well we do that all the time. Another thing you can do target clients based on recent location. So Injury Attorneys, you can drop a pin on Facebook, and you can say anyone that’s been within one mile of the hospital or within a walk in clinic within the last seven days, show them these ads, criminal defense attorneys, you can do jails, you can do police stations, you can do things like that, probate attorneys, you can drop on funeral homes, we did this for us, and it worked, okay. And then you can also be creative, be creative, like if you’re targeting contractors, your business attorney, target people that go to Home Depot, you know, you can do a lot of different things. So, so what you got to do is you go into Facebook, and at the top, there’s a couple different options, you always want to select people recently in this location, and then you just put the address of the location in there and then select one mile radius. So that will get people that are anywhere from that, that that within the last seven days had been within one mile of that location. Now, we’ve always had a problem, though, it always worked kind of well, but it was always kind of hitting way too many people because of that one mile radius. So a hospital, you know, might only be, I don’t know, 20 acres or whatever, but you’re targeting everyone’s been within a one mile radius. So for a long time, I was trying to figure out, how do we exclude everyone else, and it kind of dawned on me one day, what you do is you have to set negative locations. And this is really, really ninja level stuff. That works really well, what you do is you click on the bottom right there, you’re gonna click drop a pin, and then you just kind of eyeball it, and you just keep dropping pins, and then you on the right of the location, there’s an arrow, and you just click exclude this location. So now if you zoom in, you can see that the entire area except for the hospital is excluded. So this is how you turn that one mile radius into, you know, within like 500 feet of the hospital. And this works really, really well. Alright, hack number 12 create immediate responses to events as they happen. Now, this kind of goes off of what Mitch was talking about with the news jacking. But we kind of took it a step further. This is an actual ad that we ran in Hoboken there was a train crash a couple years ago is 2006. So what we did is we had our client, do some commentary, basically, you know, give his opinion on why the train cat crash should have not happened. You know, there should have been a braking system installed that wasn’t installed. And because of this, the train crash happened and a bunch of people got injured, a bunch of people got killed. So what we did is we went back, we took that blog post, we ran it as a Facebook ad. And we ran it to people that are we’re at the location or we use that recently at this location section on Facebook. We dropped the pin right there. And everyone that was at that location within the last seven days, including everyone that was there today who was in the car or was in the train crash saw that ad. And the result was he ended up getting like three or four clients just from that train crash a couple months ago, a couple of months later, the same thing happened in Long Island, there was a train crash in Long Island, we did the exact same thing. And again, he got like three or four clients out of it. So this really works. It’s newsjacking and location jacking I guess you would call it but it works really well. Alright, so everybody that came here, if you got a bag, I gave everybody a free 24 part video series that teaches you step by step how to get your law firm ranked in the Google Maps. It’s I mean, it’s literally over my shoulder over my screen and everybody has a copy of that. So I’m not doing a whole lot of SEO testimonials here but are about SEO tips here. But I do have one really good SEO tip that’s really going to help you out hattrick McGee and I’m really proud of this testimonial because my whole point is basically teaching lawyers that they can do marketing themselves. They don’t have to have a marketing company. Patrick fired his marketing agency and got listed on page one of Google based solely on the advice that I was giving him so I’m really happy that people are able to actually take my advice and get good results. And again, you guys have that horse in your bags. So Hack number 13. Getting in the local maps, there’s a lot of factors that go into it. But one of the big things is links from local websites. So, you know, if you can get websites that are local to your area to actually link to your website, then Google is going to look at you as much more relevant, much more based and much more relevant to the local search. So the way to get local websites is find local youth sports organizations, and go to their websites like so. Youth Soccer, youth, baseball, youth hockey, youth, football, whatever it is you cheerleading, and look at their websites and look for the ones that have sponsors areas where they link to the sponsors, contact them, say, hey, we’ll give you 100 bucks, 200 bucks, 200 bucks, negotiate something to get a link from their website, it maybe cost you 1000 bucks, and you get some really, really, really good local relevant links going to your website that your competitors don’t have. This works really well. This is actually one of the first steps we take whenever we onboard a new SEO client, as we always get local links. And it just it just works really, really well. Alright, so finally, I’ve got some psychological closing the deal type of tips here, I gave, I started putting these out on my YouTube channel. And Tom banner left me a testimonial that the next he started using my tips, and he closed 20 clients in a row retained him based on the tips that I started putting out there. So I’m really happy about that. So tip number one, I use this all the time. And this is one of the most important things you can do is always always, always give a compliment. At the beginning of the consultation, it doesn’t matter what you compliment, compliment something because people like people who like them. And you always have to remember, people do not remember what you say to them, they remember how you make them feel. So if you give them a compliment right away, make them feel really good, then they’re going to feel good about everything. And they’re going to be much more likely to retain you because people buy things from people that they like think about every time a friend’s kid comes around with some sort of fundraiser or Girl Scout cookies, or whatever it is you always buy something because you like the people and you always buy something from them. So always give a compliment at the beginning of that consultation. It works really, really well. Next, stop talking about yourself and start asking questions. People tell all of their problems to people that they trust. So if you’re trying to get somebody to hire you, they have all these problems. And what you want to do is just keep asking them questions, that’s going to get them to keep telling you their problems and keep telling you their problems and keep telling you their problems. There’s a simple rule, he who talks the most makes the least just remember that if you just keep asking your prospects questions about their problems and say, Okay, well, how’s that affecting life? How is that affecting you what happens? You know, so you lost your job, what happens now? How are you paying your bills, all these different things, just keep getting them talking, and people will open up to you and you have to remember, everyone’s favorite subject is themselves. So going back to that making people feel good. If they get to talk about themselves for 45 minutes, they’re going to feel really good. Once again, they don’t necessarily remember what you said, but they remember how you made them feel. So once again, just get them to keep talking, keep talking, just listen to their problems and get them to tell you all the problems and they will feel better, and they will hire you. Okay, so you get all this and then you tell them okay for me to handle your DUI case, it’s gonna be $5,000 or for your bankruptcy, we’re gonna have to start with, you know, $1,500, retainer, $3,000 retainer, whatever it happens to be, it doesn’t matter how great they feel. The second you tell them the price, it’s like you punch them in the stomach. Nobody wants to part with their money, right? Who here likes spending money? Anybody? Nobody, okay, nobody wants to spend their money. So what you have to do is you have to drop a related success story, almost a testimonial, right? After you tell the price after you reveal the price, it’s like you punch them in the summer, you got to bring them back a little bit. So you can say something like, well, it’s gonna cost $5,000 For us to handle your DUI. But by the way, your stop is very similar to another stop, we recently got dismissed a couple months ago where the police did this, and this and this. And I think that we can probably do this for you. Because with this guy that the charges were dropped, and he his employer never even found out about it, you know, so obviously, you’re gonna have to finagle that a little bit. But if you give some sort of success story, it kind of softens the blow from the gut punch they just took. All right, another thing, you can always justify your value by showing how much it would cost not to hire you. So her for example, you can say to somebody, how much would it cost if you lost your license, and now you can’t drive to work and you lose your job because you can’t drive to work anymore. And then on top of that every time you fill out another job application, you’re always going to have to check that box that says I’m a convicted felon or I’ve been convicted of a crime. I’ve been arrested, whatever it is, how much is that going to cost you compared to this $3,000 retainer, where we can get you a solid legal defense and make this whole thing go away? Or if you’re if you’re talking to a father or a mother, how much is it going to cost you over the next 18 years to have to pay an extra 300 or $400 in child support every single month, month after month after month? Or how much is it going to cost you by not getting the right amount of child support for the next 18 years, every single month. You know, you’ve got to get an attorney now if you want to have money later. There’s just no other other way of handling it. The other thing is you can actually put $1 figure to it. So we’re working with a client And right now who is in Arizona, he helps nurses who are about to lose their license their nursing licenses, and he charges $4,000 to each artist $4,000 to help them prevent losing their nursing licenses. So we found that it cost nearly $500,000 over the course of of a career if you lose your nursing license, so he always says, it costs you Yes, my retainer is $4,000. But it’s gonna cost you $440,000 For the rest of your career, if you lose your nursing license, so you’ve got to hire an attorney. Now you want to have money in the future. last hack is follow up with all prospects after consultations. Most of the time they walk into your office, they don’t hire you, and life happens they forget about you or they can’t get back in touch with you follow up with them, I promise you 10 to 15, maybe even 25% of them will hire you. That’s all I got.

Andy Stickel
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