Overcoming Content Creation Complications with Jim and Tyson

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Are you looking to dedicate more time to content creation? In this episode of the Maximum Lawyer podcast, hosts Jim Hacking and Tyson Mutrux delve into the nuances of content creation, emphasizing the importance of simplicity and client-focused messaging. 

When it comes to getting a start in content creation, Jim and Tyson talk about the need for the process to be simple and manageable. Most people think that content creation needs to be complicated and advanced, with theme music, the most up to date camera and a dedicated editor. The reality is this can be done using basic equipment and some research. Creating good content also involves answering the questions people want to know. If someone searches a question up years later, they will fall into your funnel through a video that is focused on that topic. 

Consistency is key in the content creation space. In order to make an impact or get people to listen to what you are generating, there needs to be a consistent schedule to put content out. It may feel like generating multiple videos a week is a lot or you feel like you have talked about a topic too many times. But, the reality is not every person is going to watch the same video. Different videos are going to impact different people.

Listen in to learn more!

Episode Highlights:

  • 02:00 The importance of simple content creation
  • 07:07 The significance of listening for new content ideas based on how people phrase their questions
  • 09:49 Consistency and authenticity in content creation 
  • 12:16 Focus on one social media platform 
  • 13:45 Having a distinct voice and incorporating humor 
  • 18:35 Keeping content creation simple
  • 19:27 The importance of delegating finance-related tasks and the benefits of outsourcing

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Transcripts: Overcoming Content Creation Complications with Jim and Tyson

Jim (00:00.878)
Welcome back to the Maximum Lawyer Podcast. I'm Jim Hacking.

Tyson (00:04.486)
And I'm Tyson Metrix. What's up, Jibbo? How you doing?

Jim (00:07.918)
I'm doing great. I'm getting ready to leave tomorrow to go to Kansas City for a big softball tournament for Noor and I'll be passing through your Feinberg early afternoon tomorrow and then she's got a little competition and then games start on Thursday.

Tyson (00:23.174)
Well, you should leave a little early and we can grab lunch or something.

Jim (00:30.952)
I'll see, maybe. That might work.

Tyson (00:32.678)
Yeah. Your intro was a little different. A lot of times you have a lot of energy. This was a little flatter, almost like you meant to be flatter with it. It was a different…

Jim (00:43.502)
no, I was just up late last night. We went to the Sarah McLaughlin concert at the St. Louis Music Park and we didn't get, I didn't get to bed till about midnight.

Tyson (00:52.006)
Is that the one that does that sad dog song? Like it plays on the computer?

Jim (00:55.502)
She has a lot of sad songs. One of them is, the one you probably are thinking of is from Toy Story 2, Because You Love Me. Yeah, but she didn't play that last night, but it's the 30th anniversary of an album that came out the year Monty and I started law school. So we used to just wear it out.

Tyson (01:13.222)
Alright, so I'm thinking of the animal cruelty video is what I'm thinking of. Yeah. I gotta turn that thing off so quickly whenever it's on. I was like, I can't hear this. I can't hear it. Keep going. Keep going. Alright, so we are going to talk about content and how some people like to make content creation over complicated. I think I…

Jim (01:17.902)
that's her. That's her. Yeah.

Tyson (01:42.342)
I think I tend to over process it a little bit sometimes but let's go back to your original video setup that you had and it was super simple like that's how you started it was in a little closet with a green screen a little bitty video recorder and I mean you took you did a video you hit like a couple buttons on the computer and then it was done.

It's now yours is way more advanced than what it used to be. But that's how you started, man. That was it. It was click, click, click.

Jim (02:17.198)
It was a Kodak Hi8 competitor to the flip cam. It had a little port that could let me plug into my desktop. I would download the video, clear out the green screen. But you know, my early videos are terrible and if you watch them they're funny and how boring… Hi, I'm Jim Hacking. Let's talk today about getting your citizenship. And so it would just go on and on and boring as heck.

But that's okay because you get better and better. That's sort of one big thing is that people put up all these hurdles to make it hard. They're like, I have to have the perfect camera. I have to have an editor. I have to have theme music. I have to have an intro. They make it way much harder than it needs to be.

Tyson (03:03.974)
real quick is my audio okay? okay, cause I didn't realize my mic's not working it wasn't connected and I can't switch so, okay cool okay, gotcha okay so I do think it depends a little bit on like what kind of video you're recording cause it does seem like the higher performing videos on YouTube and I'm talking more medium to long form

Jim (03:07.616)
Great.

Jim (03:12.654)
Yeah, it sounds fine.

Tyson (03:32.934)
do seem to be a little bit more produced. If you compare that to the short form, like the minute videos, like TikTok type of videos, the YouTube shorts, those do seem a little under produced. You know what I mean?

Jim (03:49.614)
I'm not saying there's no place for highly produced videos. I think it's fine. I mean, I don't know that the world needs another lawyers walking up the courthouse steps in slow motion videos, but I do think there's…

Tyson (04:01.99)
We don't know, let's be very clear. We don't need any more of this video. Let's make it very clear.

Jim (04:05.334)
Right.

I just always remember Brown and Crouppen had an ad where they were walking down the hallway with law books on the side and they said, today is going to be a bad day for the insurance companies. And so, you know, you can do all that stuff all day long. That's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is creating meaningful content that answers questions. Meaningful content that answers questions. It's not branding. It's not about how great you are. It's not about how many years of service you have. It's answering a specific question for the exact purpose of

of obtaining long tail search. That is search where people, months or years after you make the video, they want to know the answer to that question. They do a search. Google and YouTube are symbiotic. YouTube's the world's second biggest search engine as of now. And they find the answer to your question and then they fall into your funnel or they fall into a situation where they're consuming lots of your content all at once.

Tyson (05:04.838)
Yeah, so I think that that's dead on. So you're, instead of making it about you walking up the courthouse steps like a jackass, you make it about the actual potential client. That's what marketing is. If I go back to marketing school for me, that was the number one thing. Everything's about the client and you make it about the client experience. So check this out. Two of our newest employees.

I had them write down 10 questions you would have if you were injured in a car crash. Okay. I gave them a little index card and then they both wrote down these 10 questions. And so they're very, very tiny writing. and so these are all things I can use for content, which it's, it's interesting because a lot of it, a lot of them are similar to other questions I've gotten, but I've actually never gotten this one. How can I help? How can I get help for myself and the other driver? I found that an interesting, interesting question.

Jim (05:41.518)
That's perfect.

Tyson (06:03.334)
But I think that that's actually a valid question. And I can do a lot of good content with that. And so that's a very simple way of doing it, is just asking your people for questions that they'd have, or your clients. Or just, you talk about this all the time, repeatedly, all the questions that you get on a regular basis from clients, record videos about it.

Jim (06:24.142)
I love the point that you just made, that you've already made videos about how do I get help after I'm in an accident, but then someone asked you it slightly differently. They said, how do I get help for me and the other person? If you start walking around listening for content ideas, your ear will get better at hearing the phraseology that people use. And the great thing is that if you're listening to the phraseology, that's probably the thing they're going to type into Google. So you can really become attuned. Like when I do my immigration answers,

live show, someone will say something about a topic that I've talked about many times on that show or in separate videos, but the way that they frame it is a way that I haven't thought of saying it before and it gives me a different entree into making a lot of the same points that I like to make, but in a totally new and different way.

Tyson (07:14.886)
You know, so you, I think we did this training in the guild and I don't know if you remember this, but it was on videos and, you, we were looking at one of your videos that I think is either your, your best performing video or one of the top few. And then you had created, or you were going to create a similar video just to see how they tested because, I think the old video was, wasn't as polished.

And so you were going to redo it. Have you ever redone that video? Do you know what I'm talking about?

Jim (07:49.134)
Yeah, I know which one it was. It was the five biggest mistakes people make at their immigration interview. And the thing about that thumbnail was the five was huge. I don't know. So we did try to recreate it and it did about one third as well. It still did really well. People love to know about mistakes, hacks, secret tips. If anybody, especially in my realm, but certainly in your realm too, how to deal with the insurance company, like the six secret things the insurance does.

or doesn't want you to know. I mean, having a number on it makes them want to watch till the end of the video, which will make your video perform better, which means more people will see it, and then it's a virtuous cycle.

Tyson (08:32.454)
good idea. And what is it about this blank number of blank, whatever, like this six secret tips or like, I don't know what it is, but with that, sometimes I'll get into this mode where I'll think, well, this is obvious. No one knows that. And the reality is the average person doesn't know it. It's just obvious to us because we do it all the time. Like this immigration stuff that is absolutely obvious to you, right? But I don't know it. I'm a lawyer. I don't know.

I don't know this stuff. I'm constantly asking you stuff. We call them professors in Jiu -Jitsu. My Jiu -Jitsu professor, he has an immigration issue they ask questions on. It was not an immigration issue, it was a tax issue he had issues on. I referred him over to Mark Milton and Mark was asking about his immigration status and I was like, I have zero idea. He's here for work.

That's all I know. I don't know if that's a Visa or a green card, what that is. But to you, that's obvious. You know what I mean? You know right off the top of your head what he's here for. I don't know. And so the average person, even though it's obvious to you, and the point of this is that it may be obvious to you, but it's not obvious to the average person. So just because you think it's obvious doesn't mean you shouldn't record it. Go ahead and record whatever that question is or whatever that topic is, because most people don't know.

99 % of the people that are searching for that topic don't know.

Jim (10:04.462)
And besides it…

being obvious, a lot of times people will say to themselves, I already talked about that a lot, or I'm creating too much content. And they're talking about creating too much content, like two or three videos a week. Nobody's sitting there watching your entire feed. I mean, I do have some people's Twitter's tweets alerts because I like their content. Or you can subscribe to a YouTube channel. But at the end of the day, most people are not going to see, because there's so much content being created, they're not going to see all of your

stuff so you really don't need to worry about that and it's probably just something you're telling yourself to keep you from doing more content.

Tyson (10:42.982)
Speaking of getting alerts, the only person I get alerts for on X is you, for some reason. Every time you go live, I get an alert, and I don't know why I do. I must have clicked something.

Jim (10:49.71)
Mm.

Jim (10:55.726)
Yeah, yeah, I was thinking about following you the other day because I wanted to find out what happened with your truck. But yeah, I mean, lives are different. I think lives are just the platform alert to you if you're someone who either follows them or that stuff. But I do think there's just so much baggage that comes with creating content. You know, how do I look? Is my hair right?

you know, lots of just things that we say to ourselves that are really just an end run around not creating content where if we said to ourselves, I have to create a piece of content every day, just one piece of content every day. It could be a LinkedIn article. It could be a YouTube short. It could be a TikTok, whatever. You don't have to make it your manifesto, your, your, you know, big long list of things or, you know, telling the whole world everything. And you also don't have to do it all at once. You know, one.

One of the things that I've really adopted doing in the last six months is if I'm sitting around waiting for my daughter or my wife to come out to the car, I'll get out of the car, shoot a TikTok, and edit it while I'm waiting for them. You can do it that quickly and you don't need to make it so super complicated.

Tyson (12:03.142)
Yeah, and something we talk about in maximum or minimum time is, to start, focus on one platform. Don't focus on all the platforms, because that's one of those discouraging things where if you focus on too many of the platforms, it's kind of like the Jason Selig stuff, you know? If you focus on everything, you're going to focus on nothing. And so focus on one of those social media platforms, dominate that first, then move on to the other ones. But trying to scatter it all over the place is not a…

not a very effective technique.

Jim (12:35.854)
Are you still creating as much TikTok content as you used to? I don't see as much as I used to.

Tyson (12:40.006)
We weren't, I mean, we weren't, no, no, we're not, because we just weren't getting the results for the effort. And it wasn't like we didn't give it a shot. Like we gave it a shot. Yeah. It was for the effort that we were putting into it and the results that we were getting. And I'm not talking about like views. I'm just talking about, I don't, it wasn't leading to clients. And so there was no, I could point to zero connection between,

Jim (12:50.254)
No, you had good stuff, I thought.

Tyson (13:09.766)
the number of views and all that to actual conversions. And so the closest connection we could make is some of the videos that were being watched on Facebook. And I think that was the closest connection we could draw to it, but that's why we've not put as much of an emphasis on it.

Jim (13:30.734)
So what content are you creating these days?

Tyson (13:34.022)
So I do put a lot on X and then we do, we are doing occasional YouTube, but we're not doing, and it's on a regular basis, but we're not doing, like I was doing it, I was doing a TikTok slash YouTube short a day. So I was doing one a day, which was a lot. And we did that for several months. And it was, I mean, we get great views, but just the amount of effort that we're putting into it. And then we had switched to longer form videos that essentially what I would do is I would,

Jim (13:45.038)
Yeah.

Tyson (14:00.838)
would record these really long videos and then they would be cut down. And those were pretty effective. And so we've done more of that over the last year or so.

Jim (14:11.662)
Let's talk about another topic when it comes to content creation, and that is having a distinct voice. I think it's really important that you have a distinct voice and that you try to…

bring out some of your personality. You know, I like to make silly faces. I like to point out dumb things the government does. I like to point out when they screw people over. I mean, if I was creating content for car accidents and stuff, I would be clowning on insurance companies all the time. Like I would, if I saw a State Farm sign and I knew that State Farm had just screwed over one of my clients, I'd hop out of my car, I'd show myself with their logo and I would just be dogging them right there on video. I think, I think if you take sort of like a gorilla, G -U -E -R -I -L -L -A,

approach to it where you're just sort of like a quasi gonzo journalist with your phone and just, you know, like popping up and just, you know, making faces and going like this. I think that goes a long way. When I put a little pizzazz into the TikToks, they perform much, much better.

Tyson (15:12.038)
Yeah, you're definitely really good about having like the fun with it. And I would say just whatever works for you, like whatever style. It does seem like the more, the higher performing videos are, there's a little bit of humor mixed in. And so like if you're doing like some sort of like lawyer video, it's the humorous ones are usually the ones that performed the best. Like if you look at like TikTok lawyer and there's a couple people that we've had on, was it TikTok Barbie? Is that what she went by?

Jim (15:41.358)
Yes.

Tyson (15:41.574)
She mixes in a little bit of humor into her stuff. I think you're right. I think putting in those kind of smart quips, those clever quips, yours are, you always say your big head. It's always your big head, but yours are consistent though. If I go to your video, I know what I'm going to see. I'm going to see these quick cuts, Jimbo's big old head, something pretty funny, it's going to be high paced.

But I think being consistent is really what's important, most of all.

Jim (16:15.886)
Yeah, and I think that you should spend some time if this is something you really want to do. Number one, and you said earlier about learning the platforms, you need to spend time on the platforms. I mean, TikTok is insidious in that they make you sit on TikTok while your video is uploading. So at the very least, use that time to see what other people are doing. Follow the kinds of people that you want to have your channel be like, you know, if TikTok is the channel that you choose. But if you haven't already, there are two great books.

Gary Vee has put out. One's a little dated, but it'll still drive home the point, and that's jab, jab, jab, right hook. That's about learning the rhythm of the content. You know, obviously I'm going to be much more buttoned up on LinkedIn than I am on TikTok or YouTube Shorts, right? I'm not going to be as silly as I am on LinkedIn. Although sometimes I do. And actually sometimes being against the grain on a particular platform works well too. Like you could act all nerdy and studious.

If I made a bunch of silly videos on TikTok and then I made one very academic, I think people would, you know, it's a pattern interrupt and you want to have those pattern interrupts. So, so check out Jab, Jab, Jab, Right Hook, but then Gary V's new book is Day Trading Attention. And I got to tell you, Tyson, it's, it's some next level stuff. It's the stuff they're doing for their clients. And, and I consider myself to be pretty well versed in this stuff. I spend a lot of time thinking about it.

And there's stuff in there that I barely understand. Like there is some next level ninja crap. And I'm like, holy shit, this is the Bible. This is the next 2 .0 of what we need to be doing in content creation. And it's like, it's literally mind blowing if you really dig into it.

Tyson (17:56.902)
Nice. So he said, this is a follow up to my 2013 book, Jab, Jab, Jab, Right Hook, which was a guide on how to make content on the social platforms of the day. Yeah. All right. I'm going to check it out.

Jim (18:07.918)
He said he wanted to call it Jab, Jab, Jab Left Hook to talk about, you know, because the concept between Jab, Jab, Jab is that you give free content, you give free content, you give free content with your left hook, and then the right hook is when you actually make the ask or the pitch for what it is that you do. So you might have nine really good pieces of content that don't say anything about how great you are, and then the 10th one is like your offer or your pitch or something a little more salesy. So.

He wanted to make this new book to talk about A, the things that have changed in the last 11 years, and two, to help people sort of make that transition into actually using the platforms to drive business.

Tyson (18:52.294)
Alright, I'm going to jump on this right away. That's nice.

Jim (18:55.47)
Of course get the audio version because he's got such ADHD that every other paragraph he's jumping off on some tangent and cussing, which makes the book ten times better.

Tyson (19:06.278)
Alright, I'll check it out. Very good. He's also got a video. Let's see if we can hear it.

Jim (19:17.262)
I can't hear it.

Tyson (19:20.294)
All right, there's a little teaser. Very good. All right, Jimbo, anything else you wanna add? We're gonna wrap things up.

Jim (19:26.286)
Just keep it simple, stupid. Just don't make it hard, make it easy. And don't be hard on yourself. I mean, don't look at your numbers. Don't criticize your skin tone. Just get to work and make some content.

Tyson (19:41.062)
Sometimes those crappy ones are the good ones. That's crazy. All right, let's wrap things up. Before I do, check us out on Facebook. Go to Maximum Lawyer inside of Facebook and search, and you'll find us. If you want to join us in the guild, go to maxlawguild .com. You can join us at one of our quarterly masterminds. We've got Charlotte and Vegas at the end of this year. So we're looking forward to that. And while you're listening to the rest of this episode, if you don't mind us help spreading the love,

Jim (19:43.406)
Yeah, for sure.

Tyson (20:10.886)
Give us a five -star review, that would be greatly appreciated. We would love it if you did that, so please do so. Jimbo, what is your hack of the week?

Jim (20:19.694)
We talk to a lot of lawyers who struggle with delegation and they struggle with letting things go and they struggle with…

not being in every aspect of the business. But I really want our listeners to spend some time thinking about, could I outsource or delegate a lot of the stuff related to our finances? Obviously, you're not going to give control of the bank account. But I think that when we talk about exercising that muscle, other than having a personal assistant to really do a lot of the stuff, if you're trying to develop that muscle of delegation, finance is something that you can really get bogged down in. It can really take a lot of your time.

time, we noticed that Imani was spending way too much time in the finance realm and sort of directing too much of the finance stuff. So we're going to shake things up in finance and I really think that people need to figure out what do I need numbers -wise and reporting -wise to feel comfortable to let someone else do the day -to -day matching up of transactions, you know, balancing out the…

the trust and count and the operating account, you don't need to be doing that stuff. That is low level work compared to what you bring to the table as a lawyer and as a law firm owner. So I would implore you to really explore the possibility of outsourcing as much of that as possible.

Tyson (21:41.766)
It's great advice. Love it. Very good. For my tip of the week, it's related to today's topic and it comes from my buddy Jim Hacking. So when, let's say you get a question from one of your clients. If you type that into Google, right, Google's gonna give you, let's see, I'm looking at right now, eight or so related searches.

Jim (21:54.286)
Bye.

Tyson (22:09.606)
So you've now taken that one question and you've now multiplied that times what? Nine now? Yeah, nine. You have nine topics now, not just eight. So, or one, you have nine total. So you can go and record videos on each one of those related to searches. So Jimbo, thanks for that hack you gave me a while ago. And it's very, very helpful. So if you have a question and you're like, okay, I've already recorded this video. What are some other ideas?

just type it into Google, it's gonna give you related searches and now you've got a bunch of other content. That is my tip of the week. So good talking to you, Jumbo. See my new hammer? So yeah, like it on the wall? How about that? I think it lost.

Jim (22:49.71)
yeah, what's that for?

What do you do with that?

Tyson (22:56.838)
That's my hammer, so it's for like our hammer letters. We're hammering that shit.

Jim (23:00.19)
I see. Did I ever tell you about the time my dad, during summer vacation, he said, Jimmy, go back with the sledgehammer and break up the concrete. We had a little lip of concrete. And so I went out there and I kept hitting, instead of hitting the hammer part, I kept hitting the stick and I broke the stick in half. And my dad, it was my father's father's sledgehammer. So he was so pissed.

Tyson (23:16.486)
Tyson (23:21.798)
It's one way of getting out of work that's… Listen, concrete work is awful. For anyone that's done concrete work, it sucks. I've done one day of concrete work in my entire life and it sucked. It told me enough I never want to do concrete work. Holy crap, that sucked. So, alright, good talking to you Jimbo. See you, everybody. See you, dude.

Jim (23:24.654)
to work in actually.

Jim (23:40.654)
See you buddy, peace.

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