In today’s episode, Jim and Tyson chat with some of the different speakers featured at MaxLawCon 2022. If you’re curious about what this year’s MaxLawCon was all about, check out this episode.
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Transcript: MaxLawCon Q+A with Jim and Tyson
Speaker 1
Run your law firm the right way. This is the maximum lawyer podcast, podcast, your hosts, Jim hacking and Tyson metrics. Let’s partner up and maximize your firm. Welcome to the show. All right, so
Jim Hacking
welcome back to the maximum ROI podcast. My name is Jim hacking,
Tyson Mutrux
and my name is Tyson nutrix. Jimmy, what’s up buddy?
Jim Hacking
Tyson? How are you, my friend, I’m excited to talk about last week’s conference, we have some good friends here of the show and friends of the guild, we’re glad to see everybody and what a fun time we had.
Tyson Mutrux
Yes, a ton of fun, just absolute blast, I think it was the best one we’ve done. To be honest with you, I thought it was it was great. It was great seeing everybody. The way we’re gonna do this, just so everyone knows it’s watching and everyone that’s in here, we’re gonna call on you one at a time. If you don’t mind, raising your hand, and then we will call on you to unmute you. There’s a feature at the bottom, I believe on each everyone’s zoom, if you will just mute yourself for now. And then you can also chat with us in the chat room. But if you’ve got a question, please raise your hand in zoom, and we will call on you one at a time. So that is how this will go. And if you don’t raise your hands, and this is gonna go really quick. So make sure you raise your hands. But Jim, and I will as you’re getting your questions together, Jim and I will riff a little bit here. So Jim, I guess you would do a little recap of what happened last night.
Jim Hacking
So for everyone who didn’t join us or for those who aren’t in the guild, you know, we had our guild mastermind on Wednesday, and we had five groups that were headed by myself, you, Joey vitality Elise buoy, and my wife on Monday, we got hacking. We had four visionary groups, and then one sort of second in command with Imani. And I think all those were really instructive, really beneficial. And I think people really got a lot out of them. And I think that was a great entrance into the conference itself. The conference started off with a marching band. And I think that really got people excited and psyched for going. And then we had two days worth of really stellar content, I think that pound for pound, if if you tried to do all the things that people suggested over the course of the weekend, you’d have a hard time. So I think that there was just a ton of value. And I see a couple of our presenters here. So thanks to Darcelle. And to Steven, I know they both presented, I think it was it was a great, a great weekend that we had.
Tyson Mutrux
Yeah, I really enjoyed it, I will tell you to be completely honest with you by the end of day three. So it would be day three for us day two of the conference, I was a little exhausted. I mean, it’s the the amount of content that was being produced was a lot. I mean, 20 minutes at a time. I mean, there were 20 minute presentations other than Jason Selke, who Jason Sug just crushed, it just knocked it out of the park. But he was I was there was just so much information, you know, flowing, which is good. I mean, it’s recorded, so I can go back and revisit a bunch of it. But I really enjoyed it. I thought the presenters were just awesome. And they what was cool about the 20 minute presentations is it forces like an idea is not enough, you can’t present for 20 minutes on just an idea. It has to be thought out. But when it’s 20 minutes, you also started out right. So you got to really fine tune what you’re going to talk about. So it makes you bring your best stuff. And it’s really cool. I was actually talking to John to you and I were staying at the back. And we were talking a little bit about that. And how how effective it is it really getting people to bring their best ideas, though.
Jim Hacking
It’s been a really long time since I’ve sat through a day of depositions. And I certainly don’t I don’t miss that. But you’re right at the end of the day, I felt sort of drained from all that attentive listening, attentive listening is draining. And I mean, it’s not ditch digging, but it is a little bit tough. And the one thing, the 20 minutes, I love the 20 minutes because right at around the 18 minute mark of most presentations, I would start looking at my watch and wondering when people were gonna wrap up. So that was great.
Tyson Mutrux
It was funny, when Jason Silva was speaking, he was about 20 minutes thing and like it felt like it should be time to wrap up. But he was like just getting started. So it was really interesting, but he delivered from start to finish. I was pretty excited about that.
Jim Hacking
And he knew something interesting that you know, he was telling the story, a couple of different stories, one about himself being in that players room, the locker room with Tony La Russa and the players, the Cardinals in 2006. And I really felt like I was inside that room and then even more so when he shared about the people that survived the plane crash in the Andes Mountains and he would pause very dramatically and sort of say, just sit for a second and imagine that you’re you’re in that chair on that plane and you know, an avalanche of snow just came and landed on you. I just thought the the style was pretty effective.
Tyson Mutrux
Yeah, there was the point where he stopped he stopped because he was he said, you know, picture yourself sitting in that chair with the seatbelt on and it’s been removed from the Rest of the plane. And then he paused. And like you could just you could hear a pin drop, but you could feel it. It was one of those things where you could just feel the moment. And Audrey was just shaking her head. And I just got her first chance. We’ll get the Audra first in the moment. But like, you could just feel it. It was such a very cool moment in the presentation is fairly, fairly early. But Jim, are we ready to get to some questions? Let’s do it. Let’s do it. Audra your first fire away.
Speaker 4
All right. Hi, everyone. I’m still riding high after the conference. And today for the first time I did my success log with Jason Selke. So speaking of him that I’ve got on my calendar, Tyson, so I’m really going to try to do that three times a week. But this question is actually for Darcelle. I’m happy to see that she’s on the call today. I felt that I wanted more information after her talk. She is working maybe 2324 hours a week. And she mentioned that she’s about to go on a long trip. And I would love to know some tips or ideas about how she’s going to make that work, being away from the office for so long.
Speaker 5
Hey, Andrea, good to see you again. Well, you know, before I talk, Jordan went before me. And his presentation was about, you know, how he’s been gone from the office physically for I don’t know, a year or two, something like that on the road. And I was just blown away by it. Because my family, we have a fifth wheel and my kids are 912. And so going camping is kind of a big part of what we do in the summers. And so I’m taking six weeks off the summer, we’re doing a three week trip to Mount Rushmore and then some other smaller ones. And so for me, you know, it’s really working with my team on my calendar or making sure clients know far in advance that I’m going to be gone. But you know, most of what I do the cases still move along. And we actually can still have new clients come in the door, even when I’m not there. And so while we’re gone, I do have some a few things scheduled for some to do some consults to kind of keep things so coming in the door while I’m not there. You know, I don’t have it all figured out. It’s kind of you know, we figure it out as we go. Right. I was really inspired by Jordan to talk, because that’s what my family wants to do more and more, it’s being able to be on the road. So that’s a million parts, but it certainly can be done.
Speaker 4
Okay. Sounds like systems. Yeah, I was in the other room for his talk. So I missed that. So thanks for
Speaker 5
Yeah, when they post the replay, make sure you watch it. I thought it was really good. We’ll do
Jim Hacking
on that. It’s a question of replay. Stephanie was asking whether or not you’ll get the recordings and those recordings, it’s funny, they send it to me in one each day in one big recording. So then it takes back a little while to spice it up. But we’ll have that in the Kajabi. Probably in about she said 30 days, but last time, it was a little bit quicker. And, and so you’ll all have access to all the presentation, which is great, because you do get stuck outside when you’re at the other one, and Audra paid a great compliment, I thought to the band. And to us about the conference. When I was talking to her at the happy hour, she said that the band was the funky brass band, that she was a music major that their music was real tight and that the conference itself felt really tight and sort of well orchestrated. So that was that was one of the highlights of the weekend for me.
Tyson Mutrux
So Jim, I’ve got a general question here that I’m going to ask that was sent to me privately. So I won’t mention person’s name unless they told me to. I can
Speaker 6
ask it. I don’t know if I was supposed to do it that way. Or
Tyson Mutrux
no, I just want to make sure Yeah, so go ahead and answer the question.
Speaker 6
I have a general question. I’ve kind of been watching Max law on Facebook for some time, but not really active. So I know, a lot of the a lot of the people so it was great to meet them in person. And so I a lot of people talked about their empires. And you know, I’ve got I went from three to 50 lawyers and short amount of time. And so what I love the idea of the Empire, and I’m excited and energized about an empire and all these great ideas. But what I didn’t hear anyone say is I have an empire and I practice law. And so I like practicing law. I just don’t want to do it as much. And I want to do it specifically, only things I want to do. And so I asked Elise, like, Hey, I saw Do you have cases? And she’s like, No, none of us have cases. And I was like, Ah, well, I want How do you do both?
Tyson Mutrux
Give me one go first on that.
Jim Hacking
Yeah, so this is something that I struggled with, but not nearly as much as Tyson so Tyson has wanted to practice law a lot longer than I did. I knew early on that I wanted to stop practicing. I think Stephen still takes a lot of cases and handles a lot of his cases. And the best part is and the thing that I would say, Stephanie is that you know, it’s your law firm. You get to build it however you want. I do think that day to day casework can take you away and throttle you growth. But if that’s what you like doing, if you hire the right people, you can solve a lot of problems and still do exactly what you want. I just think you do have to be deliberate. And you have to make sure that you don’t end up taking more cases than you actually can handle while still running the firm. Because lots of lawyers can handle the cases. But not everybody can run your firm. There’s there’s some things as a law firm owner that only you can do, and you really got to separate that out, and then pick what you want.
Tyson Mutrux
Yeah, so in gyms, right. I think if there’s something that I struggle with more than anything, it’s this specific question, because I really, I love the strategy when it comes to to a case and try the case. I was actually like reading this book today. So it’s damages evolving, and it’s for trial lawyers, right. It’s one of these things where I’m, I’m reading this book, I love Nick rally. I love the strategy part of it. So what I’m hoping to build, it’s what Jim’s talking about is I would love to be able to basically run the firm as the CEO, but then also pick and choose what cases I try. And that’s I’m getting there. I’m not there yet. I’m not there yet. But it’s a struggle I have. And that’s what I want to do. And it’s similar what you want to do like you there are certain things that you want to do when it comes to practicing law, I think you should frame I think you should find a way to hire the right people to do all those other things you don’t want to do. But it is an extremely difficult thing. And I really don’t think we’ll ever become the Morgan Morgan’s of the world, if that’s what you want. That’s if that’s what you want. We’ll never be the Morgan and Morgan’s of the world. Unless you have someone that’s just running the firm. I don’t think I’ll ever get to that where I really want the firm to be. Unless I’m just running the firm. I think that’s the sad reality of it. But at some point, and I’ve even told our leadership team, I know that at some point, I will have to give up trying cases. I know that that’s gonna that’s in my future. That kind of makes me sad. But I want I want the firm to get to where I wanted to be more than I want to try cases. That makes sense.
Speaker 6
Yeah, that does make I mean, what I can’t give up yet is the high from a trial. I mean, there’s just I haven’t found a replacement for it. That is drug related, I would guess it’s just such a great i. And I just really enjoy that. So that’s it. That’s the part that’s hard for me to give up.
Tyson Mutrux
I fly airplanes. And that’s what helps me get to that high. So because
Unknown Speaker
like I can’t find another high.
Tyson Mutrux
I’m with you because I there is in you know, honestly, the high was more whenever I did criminal cases, because you were at this point, you’re standing up next to your client and the client was either going through the front door or the back door, right? They’re either going to prison or they’re, they’re leaving for the day. And so that is an exhilarating Hi, when it comes to money, I don’t get as high about it. But I still do. It’s still a fantastic guy. So you’re totally right. I get it. But and I don’t know the answer for you. I think it’s it’s different for each individual, to be honest with you.
Jim Hacking
Stephen, do you want to talk a little bit about that?
Speaker 7
Someone mentioned finders vers grinders, right. I thought that was a good way to kind of talk about myself and my associate. And if I could, I would love to do intake. I love that part of it. Right. And but I know that’s not the highest and best use of my time. So there are a lot of us who are still taking on cases. And I don’t know if that’s thunder, if you can hear in the background. We’re in the middle of a thunderstorm right now. Everyone was looking around. Yeah, that’s me. It’s just a new challenge to grow. And just a little bit by little bit, you’ll I think you’ll get to the point where you’re like, Yeah, I’m glad that person is doing that they’re actually doing intake better than me, because they do it all the time. Because even though I like it, I realize if I don’t do it all the time, I’m not that good about it. I don’t know if that
Jim Hacking
helped. Steven had one of the favorite presentations from my wife. Amani loves Stephens presentation on succession planning for lawyers, and she thought it was terrific. So Thanks for Thanks again, Steven for sharing on that. Running your own practice can be scary, whether you’re worried about where the next case will come from. Feeling like you’re losing control of your growing firm are frustrated from being out of touch with everyone working under your license, the stress can be overwhelming. We will show you how to turn that fear into the driving force of clarity, focus, stability and confidence that eliminates the roller coaster of guilt ridden second guessing and mistake making to get you off that hamster wheel for good.
Tyson Mutrux
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Speaker 8
Yes. Hello. I just wanted to a couple things. I wanted to thank you guys because I was one of the ones that won the guild membership and I I never win anything. I assign to these things like over and over and over again. I’m never going to and that was I thought that was great. I was like I’m on still on cloud nine. I’m really excited. I love the whole conference. It’s and I agree that the 20 minutes was awesome, because there was no like, chance to fill it with any fluff or anything like that just get right to the meat. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I got so much stuff. And then, you know, trying to prioritize, you know what, what we’re trying to do is a big part of it. And I really liked, you know, the takeaway, you know, from the doctor that was talking about the mindset and, you know, it was really struck home with me was that you, when you’re making progress, you know, any step in the right direction is considered successful. I’m like that, that really, is something I’m doing a lot now. And I’m going through the checklist and, you know, circling, you know, what I did? Well, what I can do going forward, and you know, how I’m doing with that and scale of one to 10? I think that’s great. So I think, you know, my biggest thing is just how to prioritize you know, what I’m what I’m doing next. And I’m constantly feel like I’m, you know, red lining where I’m trying to expand, but I know the buck stops with me. So the more I grow, I’m like, how do I, you know, I understand delegation, but I know that, you know, at some point, I don’t get to know what’s going on, I have to trust them, but is doing it right. I don’t see the client, I don’t, but ultimately, it’s my responsibility to make sure that it gets done, right. And I know, the more I grow, the harder that is to keep control over. So if you have any advice about, you know, how to deal with that constant parity between, you know, growth and making sure that, you know, nothing goes horribly wrong with the cases.
Tyson Mutrux
Yeah, so I always like this example. I’ll jump in real quick, Jim. Like, I always like the example. And this is this has to do like with quarterly rocks and all that stuff. But have you ever seen that demonstration where they take the big rocks, and they put them in a bucket, and then they take the pebbles and put them in a bucket and they put the sand they put the bucket? Have you seen that before? Yes, wherever you start with the sand, it really is as simple as that if you if you schedule your day, however you schedule your day around, like the big things important that that matter, most, all that other stuff will work itself out, it really will all that sand will just work itself out. So I think having some sort of structured system where you organize your day around the most important things, and having those quarterly goals in place, and then having that vision in place, I think all of those things connected and working on those and having those on your leadership team, something that you’re constantly talking about, extremely, extremely important.
Jim Hacking
Yeah. And for us. And I think that we got, we tried the approach of delegating with lots and lots of management and lots and lots of control. And that is unsustainable. So now what we’re trying to get to is bumpers, like, we trust you associated in your paralegal, we trust you to handle your cases, these are the kinds of things that if they happen, you come and talk to us about it, you know, if you have a question, we’re always here as a resource, but you really have to give them more autonomy than we thought we needed to. And, and to, to just make sure that you have not a box, but like bumpers, like think of when you take your kids bowling, like you want the ball to get to the end of the lane, but you want to make sure it doesn’t go completely off track that’s in that’s harder. And I think you might need to build it up where you do have that control and then and then ratchet it down, because that’s what we’re doing right now.
Speaker 8
Yeah, that’s that’s a good idea. I, I think that’s what I struggle with. Because I, you know, I know that I just, I can’t keep track of every single case, it just it blows my mind to do that. So but somehow, you know, other attorneys are doing it. And I didn’t
Jim Hacking
even know what’s really cool is when the a case is signed up, you didn’t sign them up a case is completed successfully. You didn’t. You didn’t do the work, and they’re thanking you and your law firm, and paying you and your law firm and you didn’t do any of it. That’s
Unknown Speaker
that’s really a cool thing. That sounds like a dream. I
Unknown Speaker
think that would be great. Awesome.
Tyson Mutrux
Do you have someone in your firm that you could delegate? Like the case reviews to? I mean, do you have someone here from that could do that?
Speaker 8
Yeah. So I mean, I have it kind of compartmentalize a little bit too by case type. And, you know, I handle some and, you know, I mean, obviously, the ones that I handle personally, I don’t, I don’t really need to review because I’m doing that, like with criminal defense, for example. But some of the other cases, you know, I definitely have to rely on you know, others to do that. And then, you know, but I think if, if we could come up with a list, and I’m like, Okay, how is this list being done, and then they kind of review among themselves and maybe I can look at the notes, after they’ve reviewed it, maybe that would be a good way to do it. But right now, I’m, I think I’m trying to maintain hyper control. And, and it’s true, it’s just not sustainable.
Jim Hacking
If you listen to maximum law, minimum time, which you’ll get with your membership. Make sure to work your way through that because we talk a lot about moving from stage one to stage two, and then stage two to stage three, and we definitely covered delegation during that.
Speaker 8
That’s great. I’m excited about it. I got a I got a long trip tomorrow. So I’m going to put it on my phone and listen to it. So that’ll be a good good way to get introduced. So
Tyson Mutrux
make sure you download the Kajabi app with it. The Kajabi app. It’s fantastic. So it’d be great. As you’re traveling. I think you can I think don’t quote me on this. I think you can download it too. So you don’t need Wi Fi. I think. Okay, the videos, but very good. Okay.
Speaker 8
Well, awesome. Well, I’m super excited. Thank you so much for you know, it’s been a long since I went, I think when something like that, and especially excited about the price. So
Tyson Mutrux
that’s awesome. So yeah, congratulations. That’s awesome. We look forward to, to getting to know you more. So that’s fantastic. Matthew. Yes, the Kajabi is only for people that are in the guild. It’s got all of our videos, all of our content is inside of. But
Jim Hacking
he’s also Kajabi is also how you watch the videos when you so Kajabi lets you set out stuff. So Kajabi is just an app that lets you do membership stuff. So you’ll when you get the videos, it will be through Kajabi. But as far as the maximum or minimum time and the guild stuff that’s in a separate part of Kajabi. Oh,
Tyson Mutrux
thanks for clarifying Jim. Very good.
Jim Hacking
Friend, Michael are being in Walsall presented at the conference. I got a big kick out of his presentation. Michael, how are you my friend?
Speaker 9
I’m good. I was actually just writing an inappropriate thing on the text about whatever it’s gonna be. Later, but exactly. But yeah, doing good. By the way, I caught part of your 200 show yesterday. Jim, I left you a little love. No. Comments. Ever comment?
Jim Hacking
What was your big takeaway from the I didn’t see the comment? What was your big takeaway from the from the conference?
Speaker 9
Yes, I deleted the comment because I feel appropriate. Not so. To me, the biggest takeaway honestly, was just for me, it was regaining clarity. And it was actually really listening to sounds presentation. And just like I felt, you know, when you have those moments where someone’s talking and you feel like they’re talking directly to you, like, literally, I felt like that presentation was solely for me, it was just like, Okay, I got to get it together, you know, because to me, that was the biggest thing. Like, even in my in the mastermind, my whole point was just like mental, like, how do I get around, like mental anxiety because of running a firm, which, again, I think we all do a really good job. But at the end of the day, I think we beat ourselves up too much over little things and get reminded about certain things and kind of recenter and a lot of stuff to me, who was very needed. And I felt like I just came back with a lot more energy and a lot more focused on a lot of things. So very appreciative of you guys. And I thought it was great. It was really good to see a lot of people even though we had just seen a lot of them in October, or some of them in April, but it was it’s good. It’s like a learning slash Social Club. All in one. It’s phenomenal.
Tyson Mutrux
Because we’re putting it out. So I want to ask Jimmy, I want to ask Sean Hamp. I know you can’t see a shot. But Shawn, you were at the first Max Lacan. I remember and I don’t know if we are you, you may be the only one on here that was that the first one? So you always talk about the differences between that one and what you saw last week?
Shawn
Yeah, you know, the thing that struck me the most since being at Maxwell one was just how far everybody’s come. In four years. That’s the thing that really made an impression on me with just I mean, just Jim and Tyson’s firms how much they’ve grown. But a lot of the other attendees, talking with them catching up with them. That really, that speaks to me, you know, the value in what you folks have offered with everything from the podcast to the conferences. And, you know, and with the guild and some of the other programs that Max was doing. I think that’s the biggest thing that I took away from the conference. And I really enjoyed that aspect of it. And I really enjoyed the conference this year. I was a big fan of Dr. Selke. Zeze. Yeah, yeah. Yep. Huge motivation from that. And I just found really fired up. I’m really fired up from being at the conference fired up from that presentation. And then everything else, like I just have this crazy focus this week, just thinking about how I want to grow my firm driving, driving back from St. Louis. So I really appreciate it. It was great seeing you folks and seen everybody else at the conference. And yeah, I’m just really fired up and just I’m amazed by the growth of I mean, your your conference has grown is great, but I’m also just amazed with all the other honors and how they’re where they’re taking their firms and how much they’ve taken it it’s it’s really amazing.
Tyson Mutrux
Yeah, I think that that’s something Jim that I I think it’s just so cool watching people just like I remember especially with the original guild, like people just crying right like they were they were on their last leg and then like seeing where they are now. It’s just such a cool thing to see that really really. So
Shawn
I was crying through Dr. Celts presentation, I was pretending that I was cleaning my my glasses, and I was actually wiping away the tears from my eye from from what he was saying. I was just like, realize like I’m just so hard on myself sometimes. And You know, it really helped me focus on.
Jim Hacking
That’s awesome. That was one thing that struck me, as someone who also has been to all the max law cons was, somebody pointed out to me that, you know, in the first year, maybe the second one, we were very, very tactical. And we had, we had a whole lot of mindset stuff this time. And I know that a lot of that was based on the circumstances of the people who could speak. But it was also I think, represents sort of a shift that, you know, once you get out of survival mode, then that mindset stuff is really important. And I don’t know that you can do the mindset stuff that early when you’re in survival mode, but we spent a lot of time this time on mental health. And as you pointed out, Tyson, Tyson texted back and I this morning, he said, We need a whole lot more mental stuff, because to lawyers where he lives killed themselves since the conference.
Tyson Mutrux
Yeah, it’s, it’s something bad going on. So I think it’s something we need to focus on more as a profession. And I wish I wish I could take Jason Stokes presentation and force everybody to watch it. I really do. Because it’s, if you did not see it, it is it is one of those things where and this was Shawn was just talking about, like, we beat ourselves up all the time, and we gotta stop it. Like we gotta we gotta, we gotta be nicer to ourselves. If someone that we kind of joked about a stupid idea where like, if other people talk to us, the way we charge ourselves, we knock them out, is less what we do, we punch him in the nose, we knock them out. So we need to be nicer to people to ourselves, politically, we need to be nicer ourselves, for sure. So, but Shawn, I was so happy to see that you can. So thank you so much for coming again. It’s great to see you.
Unknown Speaker
Absolutely.
Tyson Mutrux
What else we got? I see no hands would do any other questions. Do you have anything else you want to cover?
Unknown Speaker
No, that was great. Yeah. So
Tyson Mutrux
that’s, that’s the that’s your made it easy on us. So then we’ll go ahead and wrap I don’t have a tip or a hack. Anybody want to give a tip or a hack? Well, I’ll take one tip and one hack, first person to say it,
Speaker 9
I’ll give you something. So one of the biggest takeaways actually, it was funny I, a lot of people came up to me and asked me questions after my presentation, a lot, a lot. And then somehow, and that’s why I was kind of curious, you know, how many people Max Lacan talk to local people here? Because then I got local attorneys who were not there, asking me, Hey, I hear you doing all these things in your firm, can you have lunch with me and this and that I’m like, okay. But I will say that whatever you think you’re doing, because one of the biggest things it was either, it was either a lot of you know, generosity with their employees were people that were just like killing them, you know, you have to really take some very deep look inside right now. Because everyone’s going through the same problem of hiring, you don’t want to be recognized or be deemed as a person that nobody wants to work with. Because I’m telling you, there are firms that used to be like a slam dunk to be able to hire people right now that are like, you know, deserts, they cannot hire people. And they’re having like exodus of people leave, like, you might think you are doing a lot of awesome things. But don’t stop or really think whether what you’re doing is awesome, because it is really, really scary out there. If you’re not doing something that keep your people or even better to, like have some kind of system of recruiting so people want to apply all the time. So I know I keep harping on that. But, man, it’s been. It’s been very interesting past week or week and a half in that in that topic in that area. So about some retrospective by yourself and make sure that you are doing everything you can love it, do it.
Tyson Mutrux
That’s a great way of Andy, go with that. Perfect, cool, everybody. Yeah, thank you, everybody. Have a wonderful week. We’ll be talking to you soon. Thanks for joining us. Have a great day, everybody.
