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In today’s episode Tyson and Jim share the good and the bad from the Zapathon, scrapping the agenda and the triumphs that came from it all.

Jim’s Hack:
Jim says to check out the podcast “Automators” – tons of great automation ideas!

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Tyson recommends the book The China Study, it’s an eye opening book about diets that has him making some adjustments to his own!

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Transcripts: “Implementing Automation” with Jim Hacking and Tyson Mutrux 

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Run your law firm the right way. This is the maximum liar, podcast, podcast, your hosts, Jim hacking and Tyson metrics. Let’s partner up and maximize your firm. Welcome to the show.

Jim Hacking
Welcome back to the maximum lawyer Podcast. I’m Jim hacking.

Tyson Mutrux
And I’m Tyson nutrition. What’s up, Jimbo?

Jim Hacking
Hey, buddy. We just made it back alive from Arizona. What a great time we had out there, huh? Yeah. So

Tyson Mutrux
you stayed until Monday. Right?

Jim Hacking
Yeah, just came back yesterday. That’s right. Nice. We

Tyson Mutrux
left. We left early on Sunday morning. So you and I both went to sit down, not together. But we went with our spouses. It was fun, right.

Jim Hacking
The donut is stunning. I mean, Amani night had been to the Grand Canyon three times before and she kept saying, right when we got to Sedona that this looks like we’re inside the Grand Canyon. And that’s sort of what it felt like the rock formations and the sunsets and the people and the air and the sun. It was just fantastic.

Tyson Mutrux
Yes, so I heard is like people call like a vortex like an energy vortex. Did you hear the same thing? Well,

Jim Hacking
it’s an it’s interesting. I think it used to be like a sleepy little mining town or just a little passthrough down in that canyon. And then some lady came along in the 80s and declared that there were these vortexes that came out of the ground that gave energy to people. So there was a lot of woowoo crystal sales and, and you can get your arm checked by all these kinds of hippie things. And so I think since then, the city has really grown. There’s about 10,000 people that live there now. But the city’s only been incorporated since 1989. So it’s got a short history.

Tyson Mutrux
Wow. My guess is from what you just told me. You probably heard that on your tour.

Jim Hacking
That’s right. So we go you drove yourself. So we had a crazy driver, he he must have told 30 stories about dumb people who rented a vehicle and went out on the off roads on their own and then got stuff. later told me that that’s what you did. I sort of laughed to myself,

Tyson Mutrux
and we had a blast. I’m glad we didn’t have a tour because we talked about either doing the pink tours, or we talked about doing a helicopter tour, which was kind of bizarre with the whole Kobe Bryant thing. And then we ultimately just said, Hey, let’s do it. Let’s do these ATVs for half hours, man, and you’re out on your own. It was awesome. They give you like, they give you maps and they give you turn by turn pictures. There it was. We didn’t have any issues at all. It was all there was a lot of fun. I’ve never been I’ve been out on ATVs but not those kinds like it’s like the two cedars and they give you a you know, like a bottles of water. And we took our own food out there. It was it was incredible. It was just stunning views to

Jim Hacking
Yeah, I was holding on for dear life. My man drove like a maniac because we were doing two ridges in three hours. And so I literally my phone or my watch gave me credit for like 1000 steps. I was bouncing around so much. I thought I was actually walking. And luckily we had these hand grips on our hand rails up above the jeep and I was holding on for dear life. I was certainly cursing our friends even love golf, who’s the one who told me to do this in the first place.

Tyson Mutrux
That’s really fun. Dan McLaury had recommended that to us as well. But we just decided, hey, let’s do the ATV thing because it let us drive we’ll get to go at our own pace and everything. The one thing we did miss out on was just you know, having a guide tell us about things but we we had a lot of fun. It was really good. You want to jump into the ZAP Athan. Well, that’s of course

Jim Hacking
what got us to Arizona was sort of threw together over the last three months, this idea that we would have a two day workshop, not a conference, but rather a workshop, where our friends from the community joined us in Phoenix for two solid days of working on their business and specifically working on automation inside their business. Yeah.

Tyson Mutrux
And it was really I think it was eye opening. It was a really I think our going into it we had way different expectations as to how things would play out. We had if you’ve looked at the agenda, it was a very, very ambitious agenda. There were a lot of things that we wanted to cover. And, you know, this is I don’t want to ruin the ending for you all, but we didn’t get to the agenda. It was kind of a we had to shift in the middle of things. It was it was really interesting how things played out, don’t you think?

Jim Hacking
It was certainly a hard event to plan because we weren’t sure when we announced the event about people’s experience levels. And when we got there, I think we had overestimated people’s experience levels. I mean, we had 30 attendees, it did sell out. And I would say that 10 of them started off the day by announcing that they had never even zapped or had turned on his apparatus app account. So we were really starting from scratch there at the beginning and and things sort of went off the rails there at the beginning because we like you said overestimated everyone’s talent whether or not experience level.

Tyson Mutrux
Yeah. And we did that the pre event survey and one of the questions we asked was just, you know, what’s your skill level? And we had, I think, a scale of one to five, I think it was one to five. And I think people, for the most part, overestimated their abilities a little bit. And part of that is it’s kinda like whenever you ask someone like what your pain level is, it’s very subjective. It’s not a it’s not a very accurate tool to assess things. And maybe we that’s it’s a good lesson for us on asking that question. Because it may not be a good question, because people may think that their level their ability level is higher than what it was. Some people didn’t fill out the survey, but for the most part people did. And lucky. Luckily we had Kelsey Bratcher because Kelsey Bratcher is a pro Kelsey Bratcher is very analytical, he knows what he’s doing. When it comes to this stuff. He really knows Zapier and where it was, I think we’re things started to go off the rails to the beginning. And just so everyone knows, it went off the rails the beginning, but then we brought it back and things went really, really well. But the went off the rails at the very beginning, because Kelsey got into some things that we thought were very, very basic, but they were sort of bedrock principles. And we get stuck on that. Because some people’s skill levels were a little bit less. And the other part of it is is the people that were really advanced, it really did nothing for them at the very beginning because they were just very bedrock principles. So people like Paul Jakob bitis, who is a basically a pro when it comes to Zapier, it didn’t really do anything for him. So we were in a very interesting situation. And Biden by lunchtime on day one, we threw the agenda at the window. I mean, it was we weren’t going to cover it at all it was we ended up going through a couple more things on it, but we found a better way of approaching things. The as the day progressed.

Jim Hacking
Well, I always knew that we were going to have to keep the agenda fluid because I wasn’t sure how far we were gonna get. I wasn’t sure at what speed we’re going to get. But I think just right now, we probably don’t need to overestimate the familiarity of our listeners with Zapier. So basically, what we were trying to do was to introduce the guests at the conference to this concept of Zapier. Zapier is a piece of software that allows you to connect one piece of software to another it’s sort of like a bridge software. So basically, what it’s really good at is moving data from one database to another or helping you automate little bits and pieces of your practice. And so the purpose of the app Athan was to highlight the technology for our visitors and then to work with them to help automate their own practices to find things that are redundant or that they were doing over and over or that they didn’t like doing and just sort of think through what could we do to automate that or streamline it or speed it up? And so we had you and I and then Kelsey Bratcher as you mentioned, he was the star of the show. And then he brought his trusty sidekick, Brandon Beeman. And the four of us were sort of advising people after we we configured the event. And you right, so Kelsey wanted to show something cool at the beginning to demonstrate to people what Zapier could do and what automation could do. And we did that a little too early. I think. I think if we’d done that, at the very end, people would have seen how things fit together. But we tried to show them the principles by walking them through a pretty complicated 12 Step zap. And it was only when we realized that people were confused and left behind and frustrated that we like you said through the script out and just got into real basic, zaps and real basic steps. I mean, we got out pen and paper and started drawing out things that people wanted to work on.

Tyson Mutrux
And I think my favorite part of the entire workshop was when a lease, so it’s at least buoy or buey. I think it’s buoy. I know how to spell her name, but I’m not sure how to pronounce it. But Elise had never built a zap. She had never opened Zapier, I don’t think maybe maybe she’d set per account other than that she had never built his app. And the moment you remember them all whenever she started clapping and cheering because she built her first app. It was amazing. It was like okay, it was like a just a great moment. And it was a ton of those right there. It was once we got past the morning, when we started really. We turn the tables on everyone had them start building because you could tell people were antsy to get building on things. They wanted to share ideas and they want to get building on those apps. Once we started doing that with people and you started getting these lightbulb moments all over the room. And it was incredible. It was so cool. I mean to you and I we’ve used Zapier forever right a long time and it was kind of basic stuff. But then to see these light bulb moments going on like to see Julie Segal go from just completely frustrating and ready to leave right to then building out zaps, and like being super excited about things, was just incredible to watch. It was a really interesting thing. I mean, you’ve got a room of 30 people right in this in this tight room. And like we couldn’t have sold another seat. I mean, we were, we were booked right there in your, you’re in close confines of each other. And you get to see everyone interacting and working and just grinding away, and you see the frustrations, and you see the excitement. Because I mean, you could watch a person sitting at their computer and notice that they’re they’ve hit a wall, and they’ve got that frustration that we’ve all had, when we’re using an automation, we’re trying to figure it out. And, you know, someone like Brandon will go over there and help them fix whatever it is whatever error was happening. And then boom, they’ve just saved themselves, you know, 20 minutes a day. And they’re so excited about it. It was such a cool experience, to see what

Jim Hacking
Yeah, for sure. And to see the light bulb go off. And Brandon had said at some point during the conference that, you know, with Zapier and with automation, there’s a lot of times where you’re banging your head, just trying to find that one little piece that unlocks everything. And I certainly experienced it myself during the conference, but then to see, I mean, I was really proud of the people that came I mean, so many people came sort of based solely on, you know, wanting to automate and you know, our promise that we’re going to try to help them do that and to see the leaps and bounds that people were able to take. I mean, Jesse Chapelle came up to me in the middle of the second day and said that she had figured out a way to save her staff members an hour and a half a day. And what they had been doing is they would get leads in from Vonage or from their weekend phone service. And then they would spend all this time inputting that data manually into their CRM. And so with zaps, and with Chelsea’s help, she was able to set it up so that now that data just cut through all the human elements and just ended up where they wanted the data to be at the outset.

Tyson Mutrux
Yeah, and there, I mean, cash, we could talk all day about the cool zaps Cindy van, she came up with one and it was really cool, where they will input some data in foul line when it comes to checks. Let’s say it’s time to cut checks for an injury case. And so you got to write the provider checks, you have the client, check the attorneys fee, check you what we could do is input all of it. Once you’ve put all that information in the file line, which you’ve already put it there anyways, you click a button, and it will generate all of that as pending checks in QuickBooks. So that one day a week you go in, you print all your checks in one, one click, which I thought was just amazing. If you’ve ever used QuickBooks Online, it’s it’s it can be a pain in the butt to create checks. If you’ve got no more than a few checks, you’re doing it, it takes a while. So to have that feature built in, you built that zap that says hours upon hours upon hours upon a month of time. And so it that’s a really, really

Jim Hacking
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Jim Hacking
We’re back on the maximum alert podcast talking about our recent zap Athan and automation. You know, it was fun for me to watch Kelsey sort of develop himself and his own skills during the conference. You know, he and I have been working together for about three years and this was his first real public event and I know he was frustrated. He felt like he wasn’t reaching people at the beginning. And just to see him sort of open up and start to interact with people once we realized that we needed like you said to throw the agenda Out the door and just get to work. He worked real hard the night in between the two nights to build out the sort of campaign that he was going to try to share with us and Driss right there on the fly, he dropped all that again, and just shifted to showing everybody how to do it ourselves one by one, how to open up a Google Sheet how to open up a Google form, how to connect the things and how to make a simple zap. And so for me, it was fun just to watch Kelsey himself develop just like everybody else who was there. I mean, everybody, I think, you know, we pass that microphone around the middle of the second day, and people were just chiming in on what they had learned and what they had developed. And then in the second day, we sort of broke off into groups based on skill level, because that was really the two wildcards in running his appetite like this, the two wildcards were, you know, everybody’s variants skill level, and everybody’s variant software. So, the second day, we really tried to couch it more in terms of, you know, general themes, like how to automate your calendar, as opposed to talking specifically about acuity or Calendly, or something like that.

Tyson Mutrux
Yeah, the different technologies was the definitely the second biggest hurdle and honestly, might have been the biggest hurdle. If you really think about it, because everyone’s using different things. A lot of people were using file line, a lot of people were using Clio, but then you had just a scattering of different software’s that people were using, like LA Maddix. Some people were using that a lot of different needed Infusionsoft, whatever it may be. And so that that made things really difficult at times. But I will say so I think some of the biggest breakthroughs came on day two, when we broke down into the smaller groups. And I was, I was a little apprehensive about it, I was a little scared that it wasn’t going to work, because I thought once the groups might they split up because we sent the advanced people into another room, not even to the room into the hallway. I mean, so they weren’t even the same room anymore. So I was a little bit worried about, okay, are we going to lose some of that that feel of the group, and it ended up working really, really well, we end up having more room. In our respective areas, people were tossing ideas around the room. And I think people that were more advanced to get more out of it. In their group, I think the people that were less advanced, got more out of it, because they were working on more basic things to bedrock principles. And they’re building that momentum. And I think momentum was really, really important. And in most, I think most people need to the vast majority people reached that momentum level where whenever they left, they were ready to go out and build more and they were prepared for it. I think it would be unfair to say that everyone left with that momentum. But I think that thing is the vast majority people left excited. And when they knew how to build zaps, and they were prepared for it and had all these great ideas. And it was such a cool thing to see.

Jim Hacking
Well, there’s certainly no substitute to getting out of your office and working on your business. You know, I mean, one of the members have said to me, Well, you know, I need to go before we started on the second day said, I need to go do my one hour of work today what he meant go check emails and move things along back to the office. But to me, you know, what we were doing was the ultimate working on your business and fixing problems, systemic problems, as opposed to one offs where you just fixing the urgent matter of the day. This is about really finding that incremental improvements. And so, you know, that’s one thing Kelsey talked about a lot is that we are always trying to just make things a little bit better, a little bit better. And with Zapier, once you zap one connection, just keep moving down the chain to automate something. So like getting that data into your CRM, you know, after that you might be able to automate an email that goes out of it, that’s gonna save you, you know, the first 10 minutes on opening a new case you can automate sending an email to the new client, so you don’t even have to think about it’s just automatic.

Tyson Mutrux
You know, it’s funny, I don’t know if you were there for this conversation with Mark bloomin Mark bloomin was actually at Mark Blum and actually saw me speak illegal acts, which is why he joined maximum lawyer, which is why he came to the ZAP Athan. And he sent his text some of the text was his wife early on, because, you know, you know how these these conferences we go to they normally are, you go in a room, people talk at you. And that’s it. Right. And this wasn’t that this was a workshop. He was so frustrated on day one, where he sent his wife a text, like, I can’t figure this stuff out, you know, we’re having to go through, you know, try to build these apps and learn these things. And it’s frustrating. And she sent us a text back to him saying congratulations on breaking out of the mold and not going to the same stupid conference. And it was sort of it was a it was a lightbulb moment for him like you know what, you’re right. This isn’t. This isn’t the same old conference where they talk at you. And that actually convinced him to sign up for Max law con 2020, which I thought was really interesting just seeing his evolution because he even told me to He’s like, he’s like Tyson. I was, you know, that morning, first morning of day one. I was ready to leave. I couldn’t figure out any of this stuff. And it was it was so frustrating. It was so cool. We’ll see how he had gone from that to then. Okay, I’m excited, I’m ready to go to Mexico con 2020. It was really cool.

Jim Hacking
And all the credits to him and everybody who came, I mean, it’s not easy, you know, yeah, they paid money to come. But really, it’s the time to give up the time to just sort of be with other people. And I’m just right now envisioning the room and I’m looking at everybody in my mind, you know, working hard, and I can’t, I can’t help. But thank people like Melanie Leonard and Paul Jaco bitis, who really swung into action and help their neighbors and, you know, help people get those light bulb moments. And it’s funny, because when we announced the event, Ryan McKean, tweeted out that he thought that this was the future of law conferences, sort of more, like you said, more hands on stuff less talking at you. And I wasn’t really sure what he meant. But I certainly saw it. While we were there, I certainly saw how, you know, you know, not everybody is willing to come to a conference and that everybody needs to learn how to do their software. But I think conceptually, you need to understand the software so that you can unlock the potential of automation.

Tyson Mutrux
Yeah. And there are people that are probably thinking right now, well, I just pay somebody to build it. And I give the example of you and you talked about it a little bit to where you can pay someone to build this stuff. But if you don’t have an understanding of it, you won’t use it, you had that same problem where you you had paid someone a lot of money to build out some stuff for Infusionsoft. And you just didn’t use it because it’s too complicated. And having that basic understanding that you have now is crucial, so that you and Kelsey can communicate on a regular basis about this stuff. You won’t talk intimately about your systems, because you understand them. And that’s a big part of all this. I mean, I I’m more of the DIY, where I like to build my own stuff, I don’t like to because that way, I can explain it to my team of people, right. But people like to do different things. And so I understand that people like to pay someone to build it, it’s faster, it’s probably built a little bit better. But either way, I think you still need to have that basic understanding of your systems, who no matter who builds it, so that you know how to use it. If you don’t know how to use it, it’s pointless.

Jim Hacking
What did you learn? While we were out in Phoenix,

Tyson Mutrux
what did I learn, I learned a lot I was I came back and I talked to Candace, our operations manager, just about like, I was a little disappointed that I, I wasn’t able to build out a bunch of stuff that I wanted to, because we were going around, talking to people and helping them out. And which I know that was a part of the deal, right? Like we I was just sort of jokingly talking about how at this point, because I’ve got all these new ideas. I mean, I’ve got a book of zaps, that I want to build out. I mean, that’s one of the biggest things that I build. Another thing is, is that whenever you do a workshop, you were very, very smart to say let’s not put times on the agenda. Because it was a it was a wise decision by you. Because if we were locked into times, it would have really, we would have been screwed. So I definitely learned that whenever you’re doing a workshop, you need to it doesn’t need to be more of a fluid agenda. I didn’t learn this, but it’s something that just solidified it. It’s more about the relationships when you do these things. And it is about the content. I think that if this was a room of people that we had never met before, and never communicate with, it might have been pretty harsh. In the first morning, there might have been some angry people, if I’m being completely honest with you. But we have such a great group of people in Max law that we we sort of banded together and to work things out and to figure things out. And there’s that understanding, you know, that I don’t know if you’d get from a group of people, 30 people that you don’t really know. And I thought that that was very just it was refreshing. You know, it was really refreshing because it was so much positivity in that room. It it just felt good, because like I said, it could have turned out awful for us after the first morning, but it did we banded together, we worked it out. And it was awesome. What about you?

Jim Hacking
Yeah, I think that’s a great point. I mean, we could have had an angry mob on our hands there at the beginning. And I don’t mean to sound dramatic, or to make it sound like it was horrible. But there was this energy shift when people sort of got it into their mind that they were just going to work on their thing. And we were all going to work on it together. The cool thing I think was the you and I and Kelsey, all of us were completely transparent. I mean, we right out of the box, we’re like, you know, I know this is frustrating. We’re going to shift gears, Kelsey was like, I hate this. I hate. I hate being on stage. I really feel like I need to re configure and go clear my head, which he did. And then once we got to people where they were, you’re right, we had such a great group and such a positive group that everybody just sort of trusted us and trusted each other. And that’s really where this energy came from. I mean, the difference in energy on the first day versus when we pass the mic around the second day, people came back with tons of ideas. The second day, Elise said that she had drempt us apps. I’m sure people went back to their office yesterday on Monday and we’re like, oh my gosh, we have all these things that we can do. And so it’s really more about just opening in people’s minds to the possibilities, I think that’s the greatest value.

Tyson Mutrux
I agree. He just made me think about Charlotte Erdman where he she went from pretty much knowing nothing about zaps and then by the time she left I felt like she had really advanced like she had gone to like at least an intermediate level. It was just a shift and like, she went from like basic to like intermediate no time. It was really incredible the things that she was, she was building out I just the growth and people was just amazing.

Jim Hacking
You said Charlotte urban, but you met Charlotte, Christian. Oh, yeah, I’m

Tyson Mutrux
so sorry. You’re right. I don’t know. Yeah. Charlotte, Christian. Yes, that’s what I meant. But yeah, she just the advancements she made were just incredible.

Jim Hacking
There’s one other thing that was cool is that we had a coach there. We had a chiropractor there. We have a tax CPA there as well. So it was an interesting group and the dynamic was great. And you know, we had nice social events, two nights, our good friends Billy Trask, you and Chad Burton posted us for a quick happy hour. On Wednesday night. It was great seeing them. We also had those two guest speakers Chad came and talked about sort of the future of automation. And then Kelsey threw his old Infusionsoft snacks and was able to get Cody Jones is in charge of integrations at Zapier to come talk to us and that was a real treat for us as well.

Tyson Mutrux
Yeah. And we weren’t sure if we’re gonna get Cody until the last minute and it was it was really good to have him calm because he was able to, you know, he was very open about the product. You know, he was really interesting. I think, Zapier super easy to use, some people don’t. And he said, he was very honest. He said, I I don’t think Zapier is easier to use. And I don’t know if he said that in the group or if he said it just to me, but other people, but it was really interesting to see someone that’s, you know, he’s promoting a product basically. And being honestly, hey, we’re trying to make this easier. It’s not the easiest thing to use right now. We want to make it easier. And he talked about what kind of where they were headed. And that was, that was really good. And I wish we would have had Chad speak on day one, because he was he really broke down automation in such a basic way. It was cool. It was a really cool way of explaining automation, and how technologies work. And he was sort of a teaser as to what his presentation at Maxwell con 2020 will be. And so I’m actually really excited about that now, but it was a really it was it was cool. I wish we would have had him on day one. But it was just overall a great event.

Jim Hacking
Well, the cool thing about Cody coming was that he he wanted to see what it was that you’re doing. He thought that it was idea he said that they you know, we call it as apathy. And he said they have internal zap funds where they’re working on in their company, fixing zaps, and also by just sort of brainstorming on other ways to use apps. And so for him, I think he got a real kick out of seeing 30 business owners, mostly lawyers, you know, taking time out of their schedule to come learn his software. I mean, I guess it was gonna be sort of fulfilling for a fast growing company like that. I really

Tyson Mutrux
agree. And you don’t want us doing what I learned, I think what it how I want to shift a little bit, I want to ask you, how do you think we can change a little bit? So I’ve got my ideas? What how do you think you would change it next time?

Jim Hacking
Well, I think that we should do it again. And I think that when we do that you and I should handle the first up until lunch. And then sprinkle Kelsey in, in that first session. You know, really break it down, you know, what is the Zap, like, really keep it basic for the level of people. And then the other thing I think we do, we need to break down into groups faster based on experience level, I also would think that the best thing to do would be to segregate people based on their primary CRM, either file line, or Clio that was sort of half and half split. There were people that use other things like my case, but I think that we’d probably be more effective. If we did it. Okay, we’re going to do one for file by end users or one for clear users or remain as file by end users and room be as clear user, stuff like that.

Tyson Mutrux
I think those are really good ideas. One thing that I was thinking about, so I agree with all those one thing I was thinking about, though, is bringing in more industries, because the reason why is I felt like we mentioned, I mentioned Josh, the chiropractor, and Larry Weinstein is a CPA. And then we had, who was the coach who was the coach that we had on there.

Jim Hacking
Melanie Leonard, who was That’s right. That’s

Tyson Mutrux
right. Yeah, that’s right. And Melanie, Melanie Leonard, who all brought different, they brought different things in there. I think some of the biggest breakthroughs were from those people. And Larry Weinstein came up with something that will help absolutely everybody, and I’ll see if I can get him to share it. Maybe he can talk about it when we have him on the show. But he’s, he built out these several zaps, where he recorded a video and uploaded it to Google Drive. And through a series of zaps, it gets transcribed. It gets uploaded to YouTube to LinkedIn to Facebook. And it I mean, it goes to his assistant too. I mean, it’s it is a vast system of things that all he did was shoot the video and upload it to Google Drive. And so it may be worth opening it up to other industries just so we get those different perspectives on things so that we don’t have that tunnel vision

Jim Hacking
agreement, man. All right, so

Tyson Mutrux
let’s wrap it up. I want to remind everybody, sign up for Maxwell con 2020. If you don’t, you’re gonna regret it. If you want to truly focus on building your practice and making it the best practice. And maybe you don’t want to make a firm, that’s fine. Maybe you just want to have a better life. I Maxwell con 2020 is where to go with the lineup of speakers that we have for you. If you don’t go, you’re going to miss out on a lot. And I want you all to grow with us. Because Jim and I learn a lot from these presenters, we learn from you. But we’ve got a great group of people. And so we really, really hope you’ll come. I also want to ask you all if you will, go to the Facebook group, join there and get involved because there’s so much great activity going on every single day. So much learning going on, and you’ll get a lot out of it by going. Jimbo, what’s your hacking leak.

Jim Hacking
So it was suggested by our friendship or during the closing part of these episodes, to check out a podcast on automation. It’s called automators. And it’s actually by a lawyer Dave Sparky. So I’m excited about that I started listening to the first episode and the first episode was all about calendaring and automation. So I think anyone who attended this app plan who’s interested in automation, check out that podcast automators. And on that note, Kelsey Bratcher has a podcast that’s on hiatus at the moment. But going back and listen to those episodes that also help you with automation.

Tyson Mutrux
I downloaded automators. I’ve not started listening yet. But I definitely want to my tip is a book called The China Study. And I’d heard about the China study from John Fisher, he had posted about it and then a couple other people had commented about it. And it’s, it’s about it’s basically about a massive study, I’m not gonna go into all the details, but basically about diets in the Philippines and in China. And it’s really eye opening to the point where Amy and I are adjusting our diets. We’re not going to diet, but we’re adjusting our diets and we’re removing a lot of you know, animal proteins out of it. I just recommend that you listen to that you listen to it, because it’s a it’s just at the at the base level, it’s eye opening. And it you may Never change your diet if you listen to it, or if you read it, but I’m listening to it now and it’s I’ve finished listening to it and it’s just man, it’s eye opening if you if you I know that Jim do you and I talked about over at the conference and you’ve not read it, but I recommend that you do because it is it’s it’s insane. I’m not gonna I don’t want to give you the details because if I tell you some of the details, it might ruin the book for it because it’s I didn’t expect what I was going to hear. So that’s that’s my tip of the week. Jimbo, if you’re talking to you, man, I’m glad we had a successful zap Athan and I’ll talk to you soon.