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Do you have a deep desire to travel the world? See different places? Most importantly, meet all the different people? For some people traveling the world is on their bucket list of what they will be doing when they retire.

Today’s podcast episode guest Don McClure took a different approach and sold his house, his cars, packed up his family and now slowly travels the world. All while running his own law firm. 

To hear:

➡️ Why he made this switch

➡️ What made him finally take a step towards this dream 

➡️ What his family all sold to get out of the US 

➡️ Where he is living now 

➡️ How is it physically possible to run a law firm that is stationed in a different time zone than you … Then listen in. 🎧

Episode Highlights:

1:05 Meet Don

5:31 When off on an adventure, what do you do with your house? And the office? And your cars? 

6:49 The decision making process: from law office to living aboard 

9:20 How clients are reacting to the BIG move – how do you tell them? 

11:34 Marketing your law firm while on a “World Tour” 

13:31 How do you deal with the finances and banking? 

14:48 Things that surprised Don from living a laptop lifestyle 

16:12 Favorite moments on the World Tour trip so far? 

17:30 What are some steps that people can do to get ready for a World Trip with the family. 

18:43 Challenges when traveling and practicing law

20:13 Was there any time that you wished you were in the States? And do you wish to move out of the States permanently? 

22:52 Coordinating with a team when you are in different time zones? 

Jim’s Hack: A Quote from Guy Kawasaki from Tim Ferris’s book, Tools of Titans: https://amzn.to/3Gk9yjB

“If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you are the asshole.” 

Don’s Tip: Listen to James Schramko and his one gem strategy where he talks about “Owning the Racetrack”. And with your business this means NOT building a platform on Facebook only, but what are the things you can control? Marketing to my past clients, my present clients, and even my future clients. Those are things that I can control: https://amzn.to/3ifoeIT

Tyson’s Tip: Use Cam.link: https://amzn.to/3Qg69a8 — to turn any camera device into a streaming device. It allows Tyson to connect his LUMIX camera to my computer with an HDMI cable and stream from his camera. Order, download and go for an easy tech double duty solution. 

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Transcripts: Slowly Travel The World While Running A Law Firm With Don McClure

Speaker 1
Run your law firm the right way. This is the maximum lawyer podcast, podcast. Your hosts, Jim hacking and Tyson metrics. Let’s partner up and maximize your firm.

Jim Hacking
Welcome to the show. Welcome back to the maximum lawyer Podcast. I’m Jim hacking.

Tyson Mutrux
And I’m Tyson nutrix. What’s up, Jimbo?

Jim Hacking
Oh Tyson, I’m really excited about our guest today, I’ve been following him. And his adventures for about, I think more than a year now or almost a year. I’m sure he’ll fill us all in. He’s a good friend of ours, he came to the very first Max law con back in the day. And we’re big fans of him. His name is Dan McLaury. Don, welcome to the show.

Don McClure
Thank you for having me. I’m very excited about it

Tyson Mutrux
done. So this is very, very exciting, because you’ve had a chance to do something that many of us have dreamed of doing, but have never taken the leap. But before we get to that, let just tell people about who you are. And really what’s brought you to this journey.

Don McClure
I’ve been practicing for 29 years. I’m coming on 30 years next year. And I’ve done pretty much just about anything I’ve done family law, which I was just not for me. I’ve done criminal defense work, which I did love. And I did personal injury, which I still do now. And I love that a lot. So I’ve done a lot of different things, practice a lot of different kinds of law, I was practicing what I always call threshold law, if it came across the threshold, I would do it. And you know, one of the things I learned, especially going back to the original Max con days, the very first conference and before was to really niche down. And that is something that was hard to do. My clients are almost all Hispanic, they want me to be the lawyer doing everything for them. They have a lot of trust in me. And so it took a lot for me to you know, eat with my wife, y’all know it pretty well. We talked about it a lot. And it was hard decision to niche down because it was little scary to give up income from other areas. But it turned out to be a great decision and allowed me a lot more freedom. And so about seven years ago, I started reading books like Tim Ferriss Four Hour Workweek, not that I really expected four hours to be my workweek. But just the mindset, James Schramko there No, Jim listens to I wrote a book called work less, make more. And it got my, my thoughts going, my mindset was changing. I was thinking about, you know, technology, for example, file vine that I know, I don’t use to Tyson Tyson. But I put it all together. And I started making this plan in my head. And the one thing that was missing was itas approval, which is probably the most important thing. And I have been talking to her about it for a long time. And unfortunately, it was the pandemic, I think that really changed her mindset. Not that we never could do it before. But we wondered how we could do it, how we can still maintain contact with the clients. But with a pandemic happening, we realized we can go at home and the clients were okay with it. They just wanted to be kept updated. They’re okay with text, they didn’t have to meet in person, things changed the way you did business. And the other factor was unfortunately, we had a friend that passed away during the pandemic or due to COVID. And he had just retired, he worked so hard, made lots of money. He was a very good lawyer. And in the end, you know, he had been retired just for a few weeks, you know, when he passed away. And I think that made both of us euthanized feel that, you know, life is too short, you know, what can we do differently? How can we spend more time with the kids and have a lot more freedom?

Jim Hacking
So it’s funny, we went through stages where a lot of people talked about having a kid and then that was the impetus to starting a firm. Now we’re probably going to start getting to the stage where people are talking about, you know, winding down their firm or doing things adventurous like this. Why don’t you explain to our listeners done, what the adventure is that you and Edith have been on? Well, it’s

Don McClure
been almost two years. We’re about a year and a half right now. And we have originally my plan seven years ago was not as ambitious it was to move to Mexico where my wife was originally from. I was talking to litigate cases we do now we refer to somebody helps me litigate them. But I was able to fly back and forth from somewhere in Mexico to Euston which is not that far. But we decided really, Edith really wanted to travel more. So we decided to do that. I’m referring a lot of my cases out now. I do have three children. One of them just graduated college. She’s actually working for me and planning to go to law school next year. And then I have two other ones a 16 year old who’s in high school and a nine year old and they’re both doing real well. And one other thing about the pandemic was we realized that schooling can be done online. And the classes that Nathan is in he there actually he will have a regular high school diploma from Texas just like if he had attended school every day. So now we’re Working a lot we know I think people think we’re only on vacation. But really, we do work a lot, I get up early, the time difference is quite a bit, eight hours, where we are right now is in Romania. We’ve been all over Europe for the last year and a half. And we’re hoping to stay here until about June of next year when we have to go back for Nathan to take the AC t. So it’s been it’s been a lot of fun. But it’s a lot of work. And sometimes it’s exciting. And sometimes it’s just boring, just like being at home. But it’s been a great adventure.

Tyson Mutrux
I have some practical questions that I’m sure a lot of people have. Because I would love to do this. I think this is so awesome. What do you do with like your, like your pets and your car and your house? And like, how do you? How do you deal with things like that?

Don McClure
Well, for sure, you don’t have to go all extreme in like, like cars like we did. But we sold everything we had, except for what could fit into a storage container. And we sold our house, we sold our two cars, we were debt free, so didn’t have to worry about anything, I have an office with a friend that I don’t have to really pay anything, which is really nice. And so it allowed us to have a lot more freedom, not having all the liabilities, you know, a lot of deaths around your neck hanging there. And so it gave us that freedom to be able to do that. But it was scary to do all that. And I’m not saying we won’t have a home in the future that will go back to that will by I doubt it will be in Houston. But it’s allowed us so much freedom and, and so much adventure and in our kids to experience things that they never would do otherwise. And I think I realized, you know, during the pandemic, you know, time is very short. And I only have so much time with my kids over, they grow up and move on and what I want to do, how can I best serve them? And it’s just growing into this?

Jim Hacking
So walk us through the decision making process to try this? What were the fears that you had, what were the things that you were concerned about? What were the big stumbling blocks to letting this work?

Don McClure
Number one was to have the freedom to be able to move around. So for me, that meant I couldn’t do a litigation anymore. So that was the first thing I had to slowly start resolving or referring to somebody else. I also had to get all my technology ready to go for file vine, I have everything online. I don’t need papers anymore. So I’m pretty paperless. I could do you know, through zoom, any meetings, I really need to do automatic text and things like that with the clients. Good communication was definitely probably the most important thing, I miss not checking hands with the clients, I miss not seeing them looking in the eyes, you know, together in one room. But there’s so many more opportunities to I think clients are not really eager to drive. You know, when I was downtown downtown, to come meet with me or to come to my office, even when it was closer, I think that they still want to know who I am. And they want to get a sense of that personality. But they don’t have to meet with me, you know, in person. And I think that was the biggest stumbling block for me is realizing that, that, you know, they don’t have to do that. And they’re okay with that as long as they feel comfortable and have that trust. So I think those were the two biggest things I had to overcome. The other thing, especially for me, where a lot of my clients come from people that we’ve known a long time that could be family, they can be friends that can be former clients, things like that. And how do we stay relevant, because we were always doing things like charity events, we had one called selfies with Santa that we had four or 500 kids every year come to. We had other things we did for the community. And we were wondering, well, what’s going to happen now that we’re not around. And that has been tough. And that’s something we’re still working through. But what I realized when we came back, after a year, our first year, we came back into town. And even people that knew us very well. They seem to confuse that I was still practicing. You know, that was we were still doing personal injury law, that we’ve not retired, we’re not living off retirement. And that was kind of hit me in the face that we were not doing something right, because it is my responsibility in my job to make sure that our clients or potential clients existing or past know that we’re still out here, we’re still working, we’re still available for any type of call and to call us. So that’s something that we’re trying to address. Now.

Tyson Mutrux
That’s a great segue because I want to ask you about how clients are reacting to it. Because let me tell you something like whenever we moved our house from St. Louis to Columbia, and we’ve got the two offices and by far the bulk of our clients are in St. Louis. But I mean, I kind of kept it a secret for a long time because I was really worried about how clients were going to react. You’re not even in the same country. So how are clients reacting? Because you’re not hiding it? You are putting it all over social media. I think it’s great. I think it’s great marketing, by the way, but what is the reaction from clients and from referral partners?

Don McClure
I think that referral partners that’s tough. Almost all of our business does come from previous clients. I will say that almost everything we have, like 95% of what we do comes from clients. And when you already have a client’s trust, because of the way you’ve treated them before, of your interactions you’ve had with them in the past, I believe that when they have that kind of trust in you that trust transfers to the person that’s referred to you. And you get a bit of a bit of that trust automatically and you’re able to sign up clients, I don’t think they’re really concerned, I’m in another country, they’re really concerned, can I still communicate within the same Can I still, you know, given the same information that they wanted before, and if I can make them feel comfortable at that level, it’s the same as whether I’m next door or, you know, over in Romania, I don’t think they really care as long as they know that their case is being worked, and that they’re being contacted regularly, and that they have a sense of bonding with you even over the internet.

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Jim Hacking
You’re listening to the maximum lawyer podcast. Our guest today is our good friend Don mccluer, Don and his wife, Edith are on a world tour running their law firm from throughout Europe and around the world. We’re really excited to have done on done I was gonna bring up that issue of marketing. And I know you guys have done some great social media stuff on this grand adventure. What are some ways that you’ve been able to leverage this fun trip into marketing channels?

Don McClure
Oh, that’s a great question. When you say marketing channels, do you mean for the law firm? Or do you mean for, for example, this is my shirt, I don’t know if you can see it, it says family abroad on it. And that’s our our logo, I don’t know where the camera is, there you go. And so we’ve created a website, we have a YouTube channel, we have a tic tock which are tic TOCs a lot of fun eat, it takes care of that. And we’re having a blog, and eventually I’d like to monetize that as well. So we’re pretty busy handling that portion. I don’t really expect to make money from this. But it’s kind of like a journal, we’re creating a journal that you know, will have the rest of our lives. And I think it has a lot of good information for people who want to do this. Maybe there are other professionals maybe not. But other families that are considering doing this can get an idea of what we do to make this work. And I can tell you that everything you know I’ve doing in family abroad are things that I’ve learned through Max con are the basic tenets of marketing that we’ve that we all talk about, that can be applied to all these different areas and not just law. And so I haven’t this is a great question. Because I’m wrestling with this very issue about how to do it. Do I want to even say more, that we’re traveling more and make it something about the traveling lawyer or doing that kind of thing? Or do I want to keep doing what I’m doing, which is I’m not hiding it. But people are not always knowing about it. They know that I’m remote, they don’t necessarily know that I’m always traveling everywhere around the world. And so that is something I really am trying to figure out what to do with.

Tyson Mutrux
I want to ask you, I guess so many questions about this. But I guess this one is like, how do you deal with things like finances? And because I have a lot of practical questions about this, but like, how do you deal with the finances? And like, how do you deal with banking and who handles your finances back at home? Like whenever a settlement check comes in? Like? Can you talk about that a little bit? I know we’re getting a little bit in the weeds. But I’m so curious about things like that.

Don McClure
Now, that’s a great question. I’m very fortunate to have a really good friend that does all my litigation for me that allows me to have an office, you know, in his office, who I get, I get all my mail goes there. And it’s somebody that I trust. And I can have somebody go and pick it up the mail too, but but they process for me any checks, he’s able to go to my bank, and he has a power of attorney so he can handle things. For me. It’s a great local bank, which is something that I wish I had learned earlier about is having a relationship with a banker. And that’s made a huge difference. So it’s very fortunate that he can go and make all these deposits for me, then everything else we do electronically. We used to write checks for clients, and I do miss that part of it where they will come in for the settlement. But now we do everything electronically. We do the electronic deposits that way. And so everything is done electronically. Edith pretty much handles all of that for me.

Jim Hacking
Dan, tell us some things that surprised you about this, like what are some things that you just never saw coming in or hadn’t thought about that surprised you with this

Don McClure
process? I think I was most surprised Is that? Well, there are a lot of other people who are thinking about doing something similar. And, you know, I do feel like I’m inspiring somebody, you know, really makes this very worthwhile. Because just a few years ago, I didn’t really understand how how doable this really is. And so I think that’s probably that made, the biggest impact on me is to see that I’m following through on something I really wanted to do, even though it’s not the norm, and to have to settle my mind, you know, about what is success to me, compared to what the norm is to be successful? And am I okay with being myself and being my true self and doing these things, knowing that I could fall flat on my face, and knowing that it still could happen? I don’t know. But it was been so worth the risk of doing these things. Because I don’t think there really could be anything better for me to be doing right now with my life than what I’m doing. And I can, I don’t know how many times in my life, I’ve been able to say that pretty rarely. So I’m very happy with where I am right now that I took a chance, and that we’re still taking a chance. And Edith and I are walking through this together. And so I don’t know. It just surprised me about being an inspiration for others, because I never really thought that I would be in that situation.

Tyson Mutrux
What are some of your favorite moments on the trip so far?

Don McClure
By far it’s meeting other people. Like we’ve seen some beautiful places to go to Arctic talk, I’ll plug you know, you can go find out the most beautiful landscape, Switzerland, best beaches, Greece, all these other places. They’re all wonderful. And I love seeing the culture, I love seeing the different religions and opening up my mind and opening up my kids minds. But meeting people has been absolutely the best aspect of our trip, meeting people from all walks of life. You know, just Sunday night, a few days ago we are we had dinner with the host of who owns this Airbnb we’re at in, in Romania, we’ve become friends with just by accident of other people. For example, in France, we met a couple there, and we kept up with him on social media, they found out that we are going to Italy, while she is from Sicily, my dad is having a 50 year wedding anniversary with my mom, you have to come. So we flew down to Sicily for the party at their house. And it was the best thing ever. And so truly meeting other people and really getting to know them. And part of what we’re doing is trying to slow travel where we stay somewhere for a month to actually try to get to know some people see what the locals are like. And that’s been a great part of the adventure for sure is meeting other people

Jim Hacking
done, I definitely think a lot of people are going to find this to be very motivating. What are some steps that people can do to get ready for something like this?

Don McClure
First, I’m not sure that every practice area could do this, if I was still doing family law or criminal defense, or, you know, you have to be going to court, if you plan on litigating, I think you still can do it. If you did something like I was originally thinking about, you know, being in Mexico, so we’re close by Canada, you know, or somewhere else in the states even, you know, you can do that and fly back and forth. Because normally, you know, when your settings are, you can batch them all for one week, for example, then go back home for the other week or two and then come back and forth. And now with Zoom, you can do a lot things from your house as well. But technology is your friend, that’s hard for me to say because I struggle with it, I wrestle with it. But I had to do that, because that’s allowed me to have the freedom that I have now. So the steps are mindset number one, you know, that make sure if you’re married, that your spouse is, is on board with you, because nothing’s going to happen without that. Make sure that technology is ready for you. And then just you have to take the step of faith. And you know, it’s okay, if you as long as you make that step, whatever happens after that point doesn’t really matter. You know, as long as you’re fulfilling what you really want and trying to do. Everything else work out. Okay,

Tyson Mutrux
Don, what are some of the challenges that you face or the mistakes that you’ve made along the way during this process?

Don McClure
The biggest mistake I think I’ve made is not really keeping up with my clients like I should have, I’m talking about nurturing past clients. I’m talking about nurturing and educating current clients and, and so we used to always have, we had our monthly newsletter that we sent out, I’m not doing that anymore, but I am gonna go start doing my electronic newsletter again, I stopped doing calendars for a little while that was a mistake the calendars. Some of them I know get thrown away, but other ones are sitting up and you know, kitchens, my clients kitchens are in the closets or wherever they have them there with my name on it. I’m gonna start doing some regular mailings. Today, for example, we’re sending out little pies to every one of my existing clients. For Halloween, we sent out like 20 packages to former clients that refer me business and I just want to make sure they know Hey, I’m still out here. I’m still relevant. We’re here to help you call us for anything. And even if I can’t help you with it myself, we’ll find you a good lawyer to take care of it. I will still want to be their legal hub. So the biggest mistake I’ve made was really not keeping up with the marketing that got me to the place where I was where I could do all of these great things. I just kind of stopped and that was a big mistake.

Tyson Mutrux
I Got to say that’s not what I expected you to say. So that’s really interesting to me that that’s where you went with that. So that’s really, really interesting. It’s a good lesson for everybody, but like not taking the foot off the gas.

Don McClure
Yes, exactly. That’s hard to admit to.

Jim Hacking
Don, have there been any instances where you wished for your law firm sake, that you are inside the United States.

Don McClure
Now, I can’t think of one thing that I’ve missed by traveling that if I ever felt like, we couldn’t do my client, the best job possible, because I’m traveling, I definitely wouldn’t be there would not be traveling or would not be practicing law, I think it’s really important that I still have the highest standard for myself, I know that I want to do the best job for my clients, and not just for my clients, but I want to do it because I want to feel good about what I do. So I really can’t think of one thing that’s changed, other than wanting to meet with them still face to face, shaking their hands, you know, when they when they hire me and telling them telling me everything’s gonna be okay. And doing those things. You want to do a person. But other than that, I really feel like, there’s nothing I miss by being out of the country.

Tyson Mutrux
So our good friend, Jim Hart, he moved out of the country, I don’t know, all within last few months, which is really interesting was shocking to me. Like they he doesn’t even speak the language. I think he moved to Spain or something like that. Oh, we’re exactly removed. But Portugal, Portugal, I say we moved to Portugal and didn’t even speak the language I thought is so fascinating. But during this time that you’ve been out of the country, have you thought hey, maybe we should we should move out of the country? Move out

Don McClure
of the country? Permanently? Yes, yeah.

Tyson Mutrux
permanently, like Yeah, like, like, and like what places have enticed you the most?

Don McClure
Well, I’m gonna go meet with Jim Hart in January, because after we leave Romania, we go to Vienna, we’re gonna hit some Christmas markets from our Wi Fi in Prague. And then we fly to a beautiful island called Madeira, which is closer to Africa, but it’s part of Portugal. And then we’re gonna see Jim over in Lisbon, and Portugal have never been there. But Portugal will be definitely be on my top of the list of places to go. It’s one of the safest countries in the world, they have really good programs for people to move there, like like us, with a minimal amount of income per month. So it’s a very, it’s a very doable country, and the people there that’s probably very friendly and very welcoming. Spain would be another place that definitely would be on my list, Mexico, for us would probably be the highest, because that’s where it’s from, and we would love to explore more of Mexico. But those are the three countries I would definitely consider. There are other ones that that allow you to come stay for up to a year, for example, Albania, or the country of Georgia, which probably nobody really hears about. But there’s lots of places you can go, you know, either temporarily or to get a permanent residency, there’s so many options. And some of it has to do with money, the more money you have, you can get to certain programs. Other ones are just about having at least a minimum amount of money per month, and the doors open for you.

Jim Hacking
You mentioned Don getting up early in the morning and sort of connecting with your team here in the States. I’m wondering logistically, like how does that work? Do you go to some other room? Do you go downstairs? Like how do you do your work without the distractions of family life?

Don McClure
It’s tough, but it depends where I’m at, for example, we were in Cyprus, I would go every day to a co working space. It was so great, because it was inspiring to me to see other people I was the oldest one there by far. The younger people, you know, opening all sorts of kind of businesses, software out anything, you can name it there, they’re from Russia, from Ukraine, they’re sitting next to each other, you know, they’re, you know, they’re there to create their businesses, whatever it is. And that was awesome to have that experience here in Romania. We’re very rural. We’re in Transylvania, we’re in the in the mountain area. And so there’s really no place for me to go unless I want to drive somewhere for two hours. So it makes it tougher. Now, I still get up really early, but y’all are eight hours behind us. So for example, right now, it’s 530 here, and y’all are eight hours behind me 930. And so in the mornings, I get up early, I usually work on things before anybody wakes up. Like Edith, for example. She stays up real late, she’ll be up to like two, three in the morning here this time, you know, have serving our clients, which is at 5pm. And Euston is midnight here. And so she’s able to take the later shift. I do get up early, I work on things before by wakes up when it’s quieter. I also work on the family abroad things and then about what is you know, nine in the morning and usin I do call my team we talk about what’s going to happen with the day and we work together on projects and tasks. And it’s doable with eight hours difference. We’re thinking about going to Southeast Asia next that’s 12 hours difference. I don’t know how that’s gonna work, but, you know, definitely, I’ve had to learn not to be such a micromanager. That was a big issue for me. I’m trying to learn that it’s okay not to be there from nine to five I can have some flexibility with that should be a benefit of trust with my staff. And so there’s something that I’ve had to overcome was my need to micromanage and let that go knowing that the work is getting done.

Tyson Mutrux
This is so incredible. I’m so excited for you, we’re gonna go ahead and wrap up. I want to be respectful of your time. But this is I’m just so happy for you and eat it. This is so, so awesome. So hopefully you’ll tell Edith hello for us. I do want to wrap things up. Before I do. I want to remind everyone to join us in the big Facebook group. Don is in the big Facebook group. So join us there and you say hello to him. But if you want a more high level conversation than what’s in the bigger group, go to max law guild DICOM. And we’d love to see you there. And while you’re listening to the rest of this episode, please, if you don’t mind, give us a five star review. We would greatly appreciate it up spread the love to people that need it. Jimmy, what’s your hack of the week?

Jim Hacking
Usually I give a big introduction and explanation of my hacks but I’m not going to do that. I’m just going to give it to you straight. This comes from Guy Kawasaki. And he stumbled upon this quote, while reading Tim Ferriss book Tools of Titans. Here’s the quote. If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you’re the asshole

Tyson Mutrux
truth. Wow. Jim, let me ask you do you run into hassles all day? You know, Larry, get that. That’s fantastic. Do we attribute that quote to

Jim Hacking
Guy Kawasaki quoting Tools of Titans? So after go through tools, and then figure out who actually said it? I like

Tyson Mutrux
it, that is really good. Don Kliewer, you know, the routine? Do you have a tip or a hack for us?

Don McClure
I do. I’m gonna go back to James Schramko. He’s, he’s a great marketer. And if you’d like to listen to Australian people, and he makes it better, but he has all sorts of entrepreneurs on his program, but the one strategy that he talks about the most was is owning the racetrack. And that means don’t put all your eggs with Facebook platform that you don’t control everything or YouTube or other things. Mostly, it’s your website. But I also think about owning my race, track the things I can control the most of marketing to my past clients, my present clients, and even my future clients. Those are things that I can control those, that’s my race track. That’s where I can control everything so that no matter what happens, I’m always gonna win.

Tyson Mutrux
I love the race track analogy. That’s really good. Excellent stuff. All right. So my tip of the week is funny, cuz I’m not using it on this podcast. But some of you may be wondering, how do we connect our cameras to our computers whenever we record these, and right now I’m actually using camo to use my phone as my camera instead of my webcam, but I use cam link. It’s for my actual camera. It’s hard. It’s not zooming in on this, but it’s called cam link. And it’s a little device that allows me to connect my Lumix camera to my computer, because not all cameras have the built in software to do that. So if you have a camera that doesn’t have the built in software, I just run an HDMI cable from my camera to through the cam link into my computer and allows me it’s really simple. It’s the size of a fire stick. And it’s really easy to do to use the software’s it just basically, if you download it, it automatically uses it for you. Pretty easy to do. So if you ever wanting to do that to us, kimly. Don, thank you so much for coming on. This is such a cool thing to watch such a cool journey. I don’t know when you plan on ending the journey. But I wish you the best of luck and safe travels from now on till you come back.

Don McClure
Thank you very much. I appreciate both of y’all all that you have done for me. And I can tell you that all my good friends that I still have are a lot of them are part of Max con. I mean, it’s the massive lawyer has been a great resource for me. I have to have mentors there. I found people to mentor and it’s a wonderful resource, and it’s a great bunch of people to be involved with.

Jim Hacking
Thanks, buddy. All right.

Tyson Mutrux
Thanks, John. Appreciate it. Bye bye.

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