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Today on the podcast Tyson sat down with Brooke Bove. Brooke is an appellate attorney in Southern California. Her practice focuses almost exclusively on appeals for plaintiffs – in personal injury, employment and consumer-related cases. She also runs a ghost-writing business that provides law and motion support for small firms and solo attorneys. 

3:48 legal writing
11:32 connecting resources
13:46 a specific model
19:25 setting an example
22:30 the Guild

Jim’s Hack: Take time away from your firm for a firm retreat to talk about how to move things forward.

Brooke’s Tip: Audio books so you can multitask while consuming books. 

Tyson’s Tip: Use the sticky note app on your computer instead of paper notes.

Watch the interview here.

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Run your law firm the right way.

This is The Maximum Lawyer Podcast.

Your hosts, Jim Hacking and Tyson Mutrux.

Let’s partner up and maximize your firm.

Welcome to the show.

 

Jim:                 Welcome back to The Maximum Lawyer Podcast. I’m Jim Hacking.

Tyson:             And I’m Tyson Mutrux. What’s up, Jimmy?

Jim:                 Tyson, I heard a rumor that you wear the same clothes every day. Is this true? How have I not noticed this in the last five years?

Tyson:             It’s not the exact same clothes. I don’t like wear yesterday’s clothes, but I wear the exact same outfit. I’ve talked about this before. I have the same pants I wear. I have the same shirt I wear. And, in the wintertime, I have the same sweaters I wear so.

Jim:                 I absolutely hate to admit this but I heard that this is a sign of genius.

Tyson:             Oh, I don’t know about that but, I will tell you, it’s extremely easy because I know what to wear every day. I just have different colors of clothes. It’s all it is. It’s really easy. I know what to wear. That’s it.

Jim:                 So I get much guff for my cargo shorts but my go to is my Duluth Trading heavy‑level t‑shirts, and my cargo shorts, and my sandals, and I’m good to go.

Tyson:             Yeah, it just makes– it makes your life so much easier whenever you just– you go in your closet, you know what you’re going to wear. I mean, I have the same underwear I wear. I have the same socks I wear.

Like, it’s one of the things that– you know– I’m sure we– like, I’m going to say this and it’s going to resonate with a lot of people. Like you buy something and you think it’s going to fit you and it’s going to look good and then you get at home and it doesn’t. I was really sick of that. And so, I found something that works on each of those categories and I like it, so, how it works.

Jim:                 Perfect.

Tyson:             Yeah.

Jim:                 Well, speaking of perfect, let’s get to our guest today. Her name is Brooke Bove. And she’s a lawyer in Santa Ana, California.

Brooke:           Yes, that’s right.

Jim:                 And she’s been a great new member of The Guild. We wanted to have her on. She was my sitting buddy at the conference. She sat in the back taking notes and I got to sit with Brooke for a while.

And, Brooke, we’re welcoming you to the show.

Tyson:             Thanks, guys.

You know, on the clothing thing, I’ve heard that that’s a sign of– I mean, a lot of CEOs and like the big guys do that. Like Steve Jobs wore the same thing all the time because you’re right, Tyson, it’s decision fatigue. Like, you make so many decisions every day. If you can minimize the amount of decisions you have to make, your brain is free to do other things, so.

Tyson:             Yeah. I don’t know. But it’s made my life easier, for sure.

If you’ve not tried it, just like pick one shirt and one pair of pants in your closet that works well for you, just order 10 of ‘em. Like, just order a bunch of ‘em and just wear ‘em. It works really well.

Brooke:           It’s also the argument that they use for like school uniforms, right? Like, then the kids don’t have– like, then everybody just knows what everybody’s wearing. That’s it.

Tyson:             Yeah, nice. I’ve never heard that argument. That’s actually good.

All right. So, Brooke, back to you though, tell us about your journey and how you got to where you are now.

Brooke:           It’s a really long one. But, you know, I grew up in Wyoming. I grew up in a small town. And I just knew that there was more than that out in the world. So, I joined the Army right out of high school and kind of bebopped around the country for about 10 years. And then, you know, part of that in the Army and part of that just as an explorer, after the Army.

And then, I eventually went to paralegal school. And then, I was working for this attorney and he was like, “What are you doing here? Go to law school.” So, I went to law school. And he was a personal injury attorney so then I ended up– because of that, I kind of ended up going through a couple of different personal injury firms as a lawyer.

And I just got to this point where I liked some parts of litigation and I didn’t like others. And the parts I liked was the legal writing. And then, I found myself doing trades with people in my firm like, “I’ll write that motion for you if you take this deposition for me because I really hate taking depositions.” And so, I kind of just became the writer of the firm.

And then, eventually I just said, “Me handling cases is not what I want to do. I don’t want to manage cases. I don’t want to litigate. Really, I want to just write. I want to do the legal writing.” So, I left.

Now, I have my own appellate firm. I did my first appeal, you know, maybe four or five years ago and I really liked it and I won which is not a common occurrence at the appellate level. So, I got kind of like pulled in that way. So, now, I do a lot of civil appeals.

But during the pandemic, which is when I started my firm, there wasn’t a lot of appeals happening because there weren’t a lot of trials happening, right? If there’s no trials, there’s nothing to appeal. So, I started getting asked by a bunch of my friends to do ghostwriting for them. And, you know, like, again, I’m just writing briefs for other people in their cases, but I really liked it and there was just a big need for it. So, now, I have like– I think I have four contract attorneys that help me do the ghost writing for other people and mostly within the Southern California area but, definitely, you know, only in California for now.

But there’s just such a big need for that. And that’s a hole that– especially trial attorneys, not a lot of them like to write, you know, like to sit down for six to 10 hours and write a brief. So, there’s a need there and it’s just really become– like the bigger part of my business is that ghostwriting. So, you know, I found a thing that I liked and I ran with it.

Jim:                 I want to hear things like “there’s a real need there.” That makes my ears pique up, right, because that means there’s a market out there.

So, how are you going to leverage that? How do you tap into that? And how do you sort of market yourself for those lawyers that are looking for that kind of help because, I would imagine, there’s many listening to this podcast at the moment?

Brooke:           Well, you know, it started just within my network which is– it’s a pretty large one in California. I’m part of some organizations of trial attorneys, you know, like the local ones and statewide ones. And, you know, AAJ. And like, nationally, I’m– you know, I have those networks. And you write something, and you do well for them, and they recommend you or, you know.

So, I’m out at networking things a lot. And social media. I have– you know, I talk about legal writing a lot. And I have a YouTube channel. And I’m really starting to ramp up the social media stuff now. So, yeah.

But the goal is really to take this national because I think it is– you know, we’re ghostwriting, so we’re not– you know, I don’t know the legalities of it, of moving to different states, but I don’t– there’s not a problem with– because, with ghostwriting, I’m not signing my name to anything. I’m not– you know, as long as I can do legal research and I can look up the rules, and what the law is, and the procedural formalities of different kinds of motions, it’s a thing that can go national. And that that is the goal, to bring it national.

So, part of it is being in group– networking groups like this, like Maximum Lawyer. And part of it’s– you know, just exploiting the network and the friends that I already have, and tapping into their networks as well.

Tyson:             Like with appellate attorneys, I always imagine you have to get over somewhat of a hurdle with some of these attorneys because I’m assuming that some of these attorneys, they want to cover up their mistakes in their appeal. It’s an assumption I make about them. Is that true or am I just making that up at my end?

Brooke:           I mean, there’s definitely mistakes that I find. I think that, a lot of times, they come and they don’t know about the mistakes until I kind of have to point them out and say, “Look, if you’d done it this way, we’d be sitting in a lot better position.” But that’s just the hands we get dealt and like that’s how you learn lessons, as an attorney, is that sort of thing. So, I don’t really find that.

I find that most people would rather me ghostwrite than have me handle the appeal because they really just want their name on it. And I don’t have that ego thing where I need my name to be on appellate decisions. So, I’m totally fine with ghostwriting. And I find that that’s more the ego problem than people worried about their mistakes.

And I don’t really find a ton of mistakes. I just find that, you know, if you had talked to me sooner, we could have set you up better for this potential appeal. Yeah.

Jim:                 So, let’s talk about the logistics of your firm. So, I know it’s you and you said you have some team members. How does it work internally?

Brooke:           Yeah. So, people will contact me and say, “I need you to write this project. It’s this particular kind of motion or opposition.” You know, I have a Slack channel and then I say to my– sort of, I put it out there. I’d say, “All right. These are the new projects that we have this month. Like, who’s up for what?” And they kind of just pick and choose. “This is what I’m capable of this week, or this month, or whatever.”

And I have PracticePanther so the writers can log in and, you know, get to the documents that they need to access and that sort of thing. But, really, it’s just I have systems in place. Like, for each type of motion, you have to– here’s the steps you go through. And, at this step, you have to contact me and set up a time for us to go over what you’ve done so far to make sure you’re on the right track, to make sure that the stuff is happening the way it needs to, and that we’re not missing anything along the way. And then, at the end, you have to set up a time with me to kind of go over the final brief before we submit it to the client.

So, that’s kind of how I do it. If you write for me, you’ve got to follow my systems. You’ve got to follow it my way because, in the end, it’s going to be people thinking it’s coming from me, and I want to make sure we have a good quality product. This is sustainable for the near future.

But, really, what I’m doing is hoping that these writers that are writing for me now aren’t going to be able to come on and help train the next line of writers that come on. So, they’re learning my systems. They’re learning how I like things and how to do things. And we’re perfecting the systems now because we find flaws in them pretty regularly but that’s kind of the goal is to do that and build from here.

Tyson:             Brooke, I want to ask you about something that I think is a brilliant stroke of marketing. And that is your podcast, Lawterature. I think I’m saying that right.

Brooke:           Yes.

Tyson:             Will you tell us a little bit about that and what the podcast is about?

Brooke:           Yeah. So, I like talking about books. And I like talking to lawyers. So, I kind of combined it. And each week I– well, I don’t do it every week. I’m kind of at a like every other week right now because it’s just a lot of work, the podcast, because, for each episode, I’ve got to read a book, I choose an attorney‑guest. The attorney guest comes on and we talk. So, I’ve got to prepare for an interview of the attorney which is about half hour’s worth of time. And then, we spend a half hour to 45 minutes. They pick a book. And so, we talk about the book and what we like about it and like we kind of nerd out over it a little bit. And then, we do an issue spotting thing at the end as if the fiction book was a bar exam question. And like, what are the legal issues we can pull out of it? So, we do– you know, where’s the contracts? Where’s the property issues? Where’s the family law stuff? Like what torts? Who’s suing who for what in this, you know.

So, people, a lot of times, think that they’ve got to come out and pick a law‑related book like a book about like a big lawsuit or something like that. But the point is, you can find– when we become attorneys, we– like our viewpoints change, right? We see everything differently and that’s kind of the interest– like, what I think is interesting. Like the books that I’ve read, before I was an attorney, when I read them after I became an attorney, like my viewpoint on them changes. And so, like every book is a legal book, really, now, so.

And also, I just like puns, so Lawterature.

Tyson:             Jim, I want to see what your thoughts are on that. I think it’s brilliant. I think it’s definitely brilliant.

Jim:                 I love it. I absolutely love it. It’s to your target market. It’s law‑related but it’s still fun and not boring. And I love everything about it. If you have me on, I’m going to pull out Bleak House which is this monster Charles Dickens book.

Brooke:           Oh, yeah.

Jim:                 I already read it–

Brooke:           I’ve read it.

Jim:                 –so I’d be cheating.

Oh, you’ve read it too? So, we could do it.

Brooke:           I’ve read it, too. Yeah. Let’s do it.

Jim:                 I mean, Tyson, it’s a Charles Dickens book. It’s like that thick. And it’s about this estate litigation that goes on for 20 years. And, at the end of the day, all the money’s gone. The lawyers have all the money. I mean, I’d have to brush up on what I read but it’d be a great a great book.

So, Brooke, I was just writing down on my little sticky note here. It says, “briefs Brooke Bove.” And the reason for that is because I think I might have some work for your team in the future. But, in writing that down, I was thinking, “Ooh, Briefs by Brooke.” It’s like three B’s in a row, right? Like–

Brooke:           Yeah, I kind of like that. [inaudible 00:11:00]?

Jim:                 We could do four.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

So, anyway, this is really exciting. I think this is a great model. I mean, of course, you know, our friends at Law Clerk, who were at the conference, they have a similar thing. But I think that– you know, it’s always hard, I think, to broker that connection between the people that have work that needs to get done and the people that want to do the work. So, if you find a way to build both those markets or those resources then I think the whole thing can work.

I think there’s a huge need. I mean, you’re absolutely right. I think Tyson’s question of “Oh, boy, if I give my case over to Brooke to look at, for an appeal, that they might come back– she might come back and look at me.” That’s not going to probably happen because that’s (1) bad for business and (2) you’re not really going to win an appeal, in most cases, except maybe a criminal case pointing to the mistake of the lawyer. You need something better than that or bigger than that. So, I think, just conceptually, I want to say the whole model makes sense to me and I like it.

Brooke:           Yeah, so Law Clerk is a little bit different model because they are just a connector, right? They’re saying, “Here’s the people who have a need, on one hand, and here’s the people who can fulfill that need, on the other hand. And here’s the portal through which these two sides can meet.”

And mine’s a little different, because–

And, honestly, like, it’s uncharted territory. I don’t know any other companies that do this where you could just say, “Look, I have a brief and–

You know, I have a dream of a website where people can be like, “All right. Here’s my brief. Here’s when it’s due. Get it back to me.” You know, like, here’s the stuff I need and here’s the information you need to do it. Get it done and get it back to me. And where it’s just submitted. And we, as a group, as a company, take care of that and do the writing for you.

Yeah, I’m not sure exactly how it works at scale because, at some point, I’m going to have to stop being quality control over every brief we do which is where we’re at right now. That’s not sustainable like at scale. So, that’s going to be a function of training the people, as they’re coming up, in how I like to do it because–

So, I was thinking about this, like, six months ago or maybe nine months ago, I had this thing where I was like, I just wish I was more organized. I wish I was more methodical about how I do things, about how– I just wish I had my shit together, kind of. Sorry for swearing.

But then, I realized I really am methodical. Every brief I write, I attack in the exact same way. I always start at a very specific place and I move through my steps. And like, that’s the way I checkmate myself to make sure that I’m catching everything, that I’m not missing specific evidence that might need to go in to the brief or whatever and that I haven’t missed an angle of research. You know, I have a very specific method that I go through. And that is something that is copyable. That can be followed by other people.

And so, then, I was like, “Well, this is my system.” And it kind of started to really click for me. And now I call it my order of operations for writing so that you just– you have to go through that specific model, in that specific way. And so, if you attack briefs that way, you know, they might not all be super pretty, and floral, and really great language– you know, use of language, but they’re going to be substantive, and they’re going to be functional, and successful, if the law is in your favor, so.

Tyson:             I love that you were able to identify that. You were able to step back, identify that, and then use that to your advantage because it’s that perfectionist mindset that people have and they beat themselves up. They don’t give themselves credit. So then, they have these blinders on to the positive’s in their life and they can’t use that to their advantage. So, you were able to do that. How do you think you can use that, when it comes to your marketing, to increase that consistency when it comes to your marketing?

Brooke:           Well, yeah, I mean, that’s definitely my– that’s my current struggle because I have a hard time being consistent with that stuff. And I kind of sit there and think, “Well, I’ll just post something on social media when it occurs to me.” And so, sometimes it occurs to me six times in one day. And sometimes it occurs to me not for several days in a row, you know. I mean, the reality is, I’m capable of coming up with a system and coming up with a plan. I haven’t yet. And so, I don’t know.

Someone was explaining this to me today. Like, sometimes when you put a thing on your to‑do list, it’s like a– It’s a chore and you’re not sure how to attack it. If it’s a thing you haven’t done before, you don’t know what to do so you kind of just keep skipping it in your list. And maybe the way to break it down is the way I would break down a brief, kind of like. She didn’t describe it to me this way. She described it some other way, but I thought of it in connection with the way I write a brief. When you have an issue, sometimes you’ve got to break it down by the elements. And sometimes each element has its own elements, right, so it becomes an outline.

And sometimes the task, be consistent or come up with a schedule for content, for social media content. That just seems so overwhelming to me. And maybe what I need to do is break it down into elements, into different– to smaller steps that I do know how to do, that are not foreign.

And so, when she described that to me– she posted it last night and I saw it this morning. When she described that for me, I think that’s probably a thing that I need to do, is to do that and break it down into smaller– so it’s not just this big like looming, “I have to get this right thing,” which is, as you said, a perfectionist tendency that I have. Yeah.

 

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Jim:                 You’re listening to The Maximum Lawyer Podcast. Our guest today is Brooke Bove. She’s an appellate lawyer from Southern California.

Brooke, changing subjects a little bit, I was struck by a post that you had in The Guild a few weeks ago and it was about being a law firm owner and a single mom. I wonder if you could talk a little bit about that, and sort of what your experience has been, and sort of what advice you might have for other single parents running a law firm?

Brooke:           Yeah, sure.

I don’t know if I have advice too much but. Yeah, I got divorced in my first year of practice. And I had an infant child. So, I had just started a new job. And a couple months into my new job, I had to tell my boss, “Look, I don’t want this to affect my work, but you should probably know what’s going on in my life. And I’m going to do my best not to.” And he was very nice. He was like, “Look, I don’t want you to worry about losing a husband and a job in the same year so you’re fine but like just keep the communication open.” So that was really great and supportive of him.

But, um– yeah, it was really hard. I have an excellent co‑parent. I will say that. And that helps a lot. But it sucks because she’s gone half the time. So, basically what I do is, the time that she’s with him, that’s when I load in as much work stuff, and as much networking, and as much you know, longer days as possible. And the days she’s with me, I do less work. And I spend more time doing her stuff.

And so, I’m lucky, in that respect. I know a lot of single moms have their kids full time and they have to do all their stuff. So, it is hard. And that makes a decision like opening your own firm or going out to start your own practice even more difficult because you don’t have a supporting salary there to pay the rent, or pay the health insurance, or anything like that. So it’s all on me.

But I also knew that, because it’s all on me, I have to do the things that I can do to set us up for the future. So, while she’s little, it’s probably okay for me to make less money and just spend more time– you know, I could spend time while she’s napping. And she sleeps a lot more when she’s younger. So, like, that’s the time really that I kind of said, “I have to do this. I have to– if I’m going to do it at all, it has to be now.” And I’m not going to be happy. I’m not going to be a good mom, if I’m unhappy in my work. So, I kind of made that decision, even though it was hard financially. And, you know, here we are.

And I don’t think I did everything right. And I don’t– you know, who knows how people– like what the right thing is, anyways. But I also wanted her to have an example of a mom that– that goes for what she wants and feels like she can do things. And, you know, even if I fail, okay, she’s going to learn the lesson of it’s okay to fail. And I just wanted to set that example for her.

And, you know, I guess I’m a little more comfortable with risk than a lot of people maybe but, you know, you get through the first year and you’re like, “All right. I didn’t die. I’m okay. We’re okay. We’re not– you know, we got through that year. That was probably the hardest year. Let’s try it again.” So, you get through the second year. And as you get through it, and you grow, and you go through a lot of therapy. And you get to a point where you’re fine being on your own.

And then, you get to a point where you’re too comfortable being on your own and you start a new relationship and it’s a lot harder– you know, like that comes with its own obstacles, too. But, I think– yeah, just being happy with and comfortable with where you are is what you have to do. And that’s the thing that I’m preaching and I know I’m not always good at, but. And just– you know, I don’t know, put the focus on her and not on me.

Tyson:             I love that. I mean, I think you’re setting a great example for mom’s that are wanting to do the same thing that you’re doing. So, I think that’s great. So, keep it up.

Brooke:           Thanks.

Tyson:             In that same vein, who are some who’s in your life that you can add to help free up some of your time because whenever it is just you, it can be difficult? So, who’s in your life that you can add to your firm to help you spend more time with your daughter?

Brooke:           Well, yeah, I have a couple like part‑time virtual assistants. But I really think I’m at the point where I’m getting a lot of work now. And I think it’s time to add a more full‑time virtual assistant that can take off–

You know, I recently outsourced my bookkeeping. That was hard for me to let go and spend that money. But I think it’s going to be for the best in the future. So that’s good.

But I spend a lot of time in my software. And, you know, inputting the details, and uploading the documents, and making sure everybody has what they need and coordinating things. And I think that’s a thing, probably, that could be done by an assistant, if I could just pull the trigger on that. So that would be helpful.

And, you know, my dream is to hire someone to like drive my daughter to and from school because it’s a long drive. It’s like a 45‑minute drive each way. And to have that time to be able to work would be good. But, on the flip side, that’s time that we have really great conversations, and we sing a lot in the car, you know, like that’s kind of a fun time for us, too, so I also have a hard time giving that up. But I spend a lot of time doing the driving. And so, getting somebody to help with the kids is good.

I did outsource, you know, stuff like house cleaning and, you know, that stuff to make my life easier. I don’t do a lot of like cooking. You know, I take the short, easy way there.

For the business, I think it’s the virtual assistants. My virtual assistant right now is just kind of a part‑time technical, like he helps with video editing and content kind of stuff, but not so much like in my business.

Jim:                 Well, I just want to say how impressed I am by everything you’ve got going on. I think you’re doing an amazing job. I think you should be really, really proud of yourself. I’m really glad we did this because, you know, a couple of minutes in the morning on Monday and a couple of minutes on Friday doesn’t get to sort of reveal the true you and all the cool things you got going.

I’m as excited about what you have going on as I was about Nicole Christie. I just think you’ve got a niche. You’ve got a plan. You’re doing all the right things. So, I think you should be really proud of yourself.

Brooke:           Thank you.

And I’ll say, you know, joining The Guild was an easy decision once I found this group of people but it really is just so wonderful. And going to the conference and meeting everybody was really wonderful. And, you know, just really increasing those connections.

And that’s the other thing I was going to say about my podcast is that it’s more of a way to bond with people if you can find things that you have in common. And this group that you guys have created has like you’ve just pulled together people with the same mindset. It’s an encouraging forum where everybody can go and feel comfortable.

That conference, honestly, it was the first time I ever went to a conference where I didn’t feel like I was going to watch, you know, master speaking. There were a master speaking, but I felt like I was going to be with my peers. And that’s the first time I’ve ever felt that way going to a conference. I really have the imposter syndrome a lot when it comes to conferences and not this one. I just felt immediately comfortable and that’s because of what you guys have created. So, thank you for that.

Jim:                 Well, that’s awesome. We’ll have to have you up on stage next year so you can keep it going.

Brooke:           Okay.

Tyson:             I love it.

Brooke:           Thanks.

Tyson:             I love it, for sure.

All right. We are going to wrap things up. Before I do, I want to remind everyone– I told Jimmy, I was going to remind everybody at the beginning of the podcast, I forgot, but I was going to ask people to give us a five star‑review, please. I’ve meant to do it next podcast and I’m going to remind everyone. But we want to make sure we spread the word.

If you’re interested in The Guild, you go to maxlawguild.com. And we’re already taking tickets or accepting tickets for MaxLawCon2022. You can go to maxlawcon2022.com to purchase your tickets.

Jimmy, what is your hack of the week?

Jim:                 Many years ago, when we first started the firm, we would have a firm retreat. We would take a day out of the office, just two of us or three of us, and go and talk about fixing stuff. I didn’t know anything that I know now or any of the things we talked about in The Guild, or on the podcast, or whatever. We were all just learning at the time. But there is no substitute for taking time away from your firm, not talking about a particular case, but talking about how you can move things forward.

And now that we’ve grown, we’re going to have our retreat in a couple of weeks. And it’s like booked solid. Like everybody’s competing for stage time. Everybody’s competing for the mic. And like everyone wants to get on so they can brag about the cool things that their department is doing.

But it’s also forcing us to make a lot of decisions as the retreat approaches. So, in and of itself, the day itself has value. But also, the whole process of getting ready for it and sort of resetting yourself for the next six months or however long it is between your retreats, I can’t recommend it enough.

Tyson:             I love it. And your people are teaching so that means that they’re driving that point home even more and they’re mastering their craft even more. So, I think that’s awesome.

Brooke, you’re up next. What is your tip or hack?

Brooke:           I really struggle with this because I feel like you guys have said everything there is to say. I will just say that I think the thing that makes my life most easy and enjoyable is audiobooks. And that’s the fiction books. And like I couldn’t do the podcast I do if I didn’t use audio books to read the books that people choose. You know, I can spend my time in the car, I can multitask a lot while I’m doing audiobooks. But, also, it’s just a pleasure to have somebody read to me. And, you know, my mom and I used to read to each other when I was growing up. And it’s a comfortable way for me to read books. But it just also is really practical. And so, maybe it’s not super fancy or technical but that’s– my hack is audio books.

Tyson:             Love it. Very good.

So, I’ve got a really simple one that I stumbled upon about a week or two ago. And I’ve got this habit of getting sticky notes and writing ‘em– writing something down. And then, like two minutes later, I’ll throw it in the trash. It’s just the dumbest thing. I think a lot of us probably do that.

I stumbled upon, on my Mac, there’s a sticky note function. And I didn’t know that it was there. And I feel like it’s such a simple thing to do. Like, it is right on your computer. It’s like you just type it in. Like, I pulled it up right now. So, I get it pinned down to the bottom of my screen and I can just click on it whenever I’ve got a sticky note. I don’t have to waste paper. It is the simplest– probably– maybe the simplest tip I’ve given in five years. But I didn’t know that this existed. So, it’s called Stickies. So, if you write a bunch of sticky notes, and you’re sick of wasting paper, check it out, if you have a Mac. I’m sure that PCs have a function, too.

Brooke, before we wrap things up, how do people get in touch with you?

Brooke:           Oh, you can email me bbovebovelawgroup@bovelawgroup.com. My website is Bove Law Group. I’m working currently on my ghostbriefing.com website but it’s not fully functional right now. So, you can go look at it but it’s not great. And you can follow me on social media. I’m just brookebove on Instagram. And ghostbriefs is my ghostwriting Instagram.

Tyson:             Very cool. Just so everyone knows, Bove is B-O-V-E. So, that way you know how to spell it.

Brooke:           And Brooke with a B.

Tyson:             Brooke, thank you so much.

Brooke with an E. That’s right, absolutely.

But thank you so much for coming on.

Brooke:           Thanks.

Tyson:             Like Jimmy said, it’s great to learn more about you because the Monday’s and Friday’s just don’t give us enough. So, thank you so much. And it’s been a lot of fun.

Brooke:           Thank you, guys. Thanks so much for having me. It’s a real treat.

Tyson:             You bet. Thanks, Brooke. See ya.

Brooke:           Bye, guys.

Tyson:             Bye.

 

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