In this episode, Jim and Tyson will be interacting with people who have posted recently on the Facebook group. They will go over a couple of topics that are fundamental when you are starting and running your own firm; Landing your first clients, becoming viable, and realizing that investments are coming back. Social media, it’s benefits, and whether it is a good idea or not to handle it on your own. And being a Maximum Lawyer, the best version of ourselves.
First, Jim and Tyson will talk about landing clients, becoming available and realizing that investments are coming back and will relate these topics with their own personal stories and backgrounds. Then they will go over social media. Lastly, they will talk about what being a Maximum Lawyer is all about.
No one can handle your social networks for you. If you are thinking about spending money on a social network expert you should definitely join Mitch Jackson’s group. http://legalminds.lawyer/. Learn where your money is going towards and why it is important.
There is no way you can successfully do social media and not do it yourself. It is the actual interaction, the social part what’s important.
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Transcripts: Becoming a Maximum Lawyer
Jim Hacking
You got to get your name out there, you got to make sure that people understand who you are and what you stand for. But eventually, you’re going to need to be very jealous of your time. And to make sure that you’re maximizing your time, to the extent that you can. But it’s really important, I think, for us to be thinking about all aspects of our life, not just about making money, not just about running a law firm, but about being with our family, being with our kids, being free, to be happy and live a successful life and, and have everything that we want. That’s, that’s what maximum lawyer to me is all about, about, you know, reaching whatever potential we can and not just in running a firm,
Tyson Mutrux
what helps us have those healthy lives are our businesses so that they both have to be healthy. So yeah, I mean, there’s different parts of your life that you need to focus on, you know, there are the family relationships is the friend relationships, there’s your health, there’s your business, there’s all these different areas that you have to focus on, it can be very, very difficult because you’re, when you take away from one, if you add the one, then you’re taken away from the other one. So it’s tough. I mean, that’s no one saying this is easy, but you have to at least have it in your mind, think about to focus on otherwise, you’ll just ignore it.
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Jim Hacking
Welcome to the show. Welcome back to the maximum lawyer Podcast. I’m
Tyson Mutrux
Jim hacking. And I’m isometrics What’s up, Jimmy?
Jim Hacking
Oh, Tyson, we’re getting really close to the conference where they’re about 60 people signed up, it’s pretty remarkable. The Cardinals game is sold out. I think people are really looking forward to the event.
Tyson Mutrux
Yeah, it’s really freaking exciting. Every time we look at the numbers, I’m shocked at the number of people that are going to come to St. Louis kind of take part in this conference. But you know what, I guess I’m sort of surprised. I’m sort of not because we’ve got a killer lineup of speakers. And it’s just going to be a great conference. It really is.
Jim Hacking
I’m already worrying about the speakers for next year, and whether we’re going to be able to tap this year’s lineup.
Tyson Mutrux
Well, you know, it’s something that people don’t know. Because I mean, they’re, they’re not as involved as you and I are. But lately, there have been several big name speakers approach us after we already set the lineup wanting to speak and we had to turn them away. And that’s something that you and I don’t think we ever thought we’d have to do. So we actually carved out a couple of spots, that we had to find time to add a couple people because they wanted to be involved. And so it really is exciting. And we have some we have people for next year that are really big name guests, and people are going to want to see so I think, I think next year we’re put up maybe we’ll be able to stop and maybe not but it’s going to be good either way.
Jim Hacking
Well, later on today, I’m having a call with Mitch Jackson himself very excited about having Mitch come, we’re gonna be talking about his presentation. You know, everybody who’s coming to my knowledge is presenting all new material. So if you’ve seen Seth price before, if you’ve heard from John Fisher before and Mitch, everyone’s gonna be tweaking it and changing it. And Mitch and I are going to talk a little bit later today about his topic. And you know, the other thing about events like this is that you know, sometimes you hear things and a Ryan McCain said this in the Facebook group the other day, sometimes you hear things like six times, and it’s not till the sixth time that you hear it, that you get it or sometimes you hear things and you’re in a different place. You’re not starting out anymore, or you’ve tried one thing before and when someone says something to you in a different way. You’re just being infused with new information and I think you react to it differently depending on where you yourself are at
Tyson Mutrux
Ryan McKean has a lot of smart dude really is he’s in my mini mastermind experience group. And so he’s, he’s really awesome. Somebody you said that totally correct. I mean, Seth price is also he’s pairing his down the all of these are in changing it up all of these presenters, they’re they’re really fine tuning this, we’re, we’re only given them 45 minutes. And so it’s a it’s, it’s kind of like a TED talk on steroids in a way but it’s more involved in that where people are going to be at say it’s more interactive in a way as a way of putting it because people are going to be able to have the when they leave the conference are gonna have these huge takeaways, things that they’ve actually done at the conference to implement in their firms. So I think that that, to me is the most exciting part about it.
Jim Hacking
Speaking of interactive today, you and I are going to be interacting with some of our Facebook friends. So people who’ve posted recently on Facebook, we’re going to couple we’re going to tackle a couple of topics that have been bandied about on the Facebook page the last couple of weeks for you to say no doubt. So the first topic for today comes from our friend Hunter Cavell and Hunter had a question that he put on the group which I thought was really a great question and you and I had some good conversation about it. And he asked I have a question for discussion. Please Be as general or as specific as you like. For all attorneys that have gone out on their own, how did you land your first client? Your second, your third? How long did it take for your business to become viable? When did you come to the realization that your dream was becoming reality? And then every investment would come back? Thanks so much.
Tyson Mutrux
So I’ll start with this question. And then I’ll let you go to yours. I guess mine, it was really interesting. So I recognized the law school, what I wanted to do, I wanted to have my own firm, that’s what I wanted to do. And so I sort of in I don’t know, either you gave me this advice, or Debbie champion had given me the advice about how the legacy to start with Debbie champions, Debbie champion talked about how the story of this firm where it was a big defense firm, and they closed down and they are a bunch of them left and a bunch of attorneys were left with no business. And so they got all got laid off. And so she was just talking to stress the importance of having clients, because it makes it very hard for you to get fired. So I took that to heart. And so I worked on kind of building my presence, networking, things like that. And so my initial clients, that when I became an attorney, were all referrals, that’s where all the initial ones are. And that’s, that’s pretty common. And they were, they were referrals from other attorneys, I’d capitalized early on on my position at my firm, because I was at one of the larger volume pi firms. And so a lot of people did turn to me for advice. And so I gave advice at every corner, I could, because there’s a lot of value in that. And in turn, I was getting a lot of referrals from my classmates so that I probably got a lot of them. But another thing that I did was in undergrad, I remember this guy talking about and I couldn’t even tell you, which company worked for now. But he was talking about how it was very, very important. This is a long time ago, but getting your name as a domain name. So I’ve got Tyson music set calm. And so I bought that a long time ago. So in law school, I blogged about, you know, veterans issues and things like that. And what I was trying to do, I was just trying to age my domain name, build some content, before I became an attorney, and I couldn’t put like, you know, plays music as an attorney. It was an attorney yet. But I guess what I had done, though, is I dope enough credit in Google that whenever I did become an attorney, I was getting cases. And so I was getting cases through my website, and it was actually pretty effective. So I say, you know, my first, second, third, fourth, fifth, probably up to 20 was referrals. But pretty quickly after that I started getting leads from the internet. And so that’s how I built mine. You’ll have
Jim Hacking
to tell everyone the story about how the people that you work for didn’t necessarily liked you and having that website and getting clients yourself that way.
Tyson Mutrux
Yeah, I think that’s for another episode. But you’re right, I will give my thinking on that I and then on both sides of it, and having been an attorney and a boss of an associate my thoughts on it and everything else. But that’s another topic for another day, we can we can definitely do that another time. But I want to hear about yours.
Jim Hacking
So our listeners might be surprised that I of course, started with my list. And back then my list was much smaller back then. But what I did was, is I sat down and I made a list, I grabbed all my contacts from everywhere they were I think back then I might have had a Palm Pilot twice. And if you can believe that, and I had, I had a lot of contacts. And my very first client was the nurse for the OB who delivered my first three children. So her name was Indira and her husband owned a trucking company. When I went out on my own in late 2007. I was coming from insurance defense and a firm where we had three corporate or insurance clients. And so a consumer facing practice was not something that I had. And so my thought when I opened the firm was that I was going to be a lawyer for immigrants. I had done a lot of personal injury on the defense side, I knew how to put together a pie case. And I thought that I’d be doing personal injury for immigrants that I’d be doing estate plans for immigrants, and then I would eventually be doing immigration itself. And so I partnered up with a guy who was working full time at a company. He wasn’t an immigration lawyer, but he’s working at a company not as a law firm. And so I would pay him by the hour to help me with my immigration cases. That’s sort of how I taught myself and learned immigration. But at first we were doing whatever came in the door. I mean, we really were sort of all over the place. We weren’t very focused, we had no you know, no real marketing message. I had a lame website but the one thing I did have was my email list. And so I wrote down everybody you know, my mom’s friends, my friends, you know, any anybody that I’ve ever done business with, like contractors at our house or anybody I just started putting out, not weekly but periodic news about about the firm and I had a big launch and I had a happy hour at a restaurant and You’re my office and I invited everybody. And then I got publicity for that. And in the St. Louis Post Dispatch, I got in sort of the gossip column about that that post is framed in our front office. And so I just sort of, it’s funny now that I say it out loud, I sort of did on a very small scale, what we do now on a very big scale, so I guess, Hunter, the thing is, the clients will come. And, you know, when did I come to the realization that my dream was becoming reality, probably when I about the time we started teaching Tyson and at the law school about how to open your firm, you know, it takes certainly takes a while and, and every investment doesn’t come back, you know, you’re you’re sort of taking your shot, you’re, you’re seeing what works and what doesn’t, and, and you’re going where the market leads you, you know, I never in my wildest dreams thought that we would be a full time and only an immigration law firm. But that’s sort of where the need was. And that’s where people found me. And eventually, that’s where I found my passion. That’s where I found my voice, I had a lot of things to say about the way immigrants are being treated. And that resonated with people and it just sort of mushroom from there.
Tyson Mutrux
Honestly, I think what it is it just put in the work. I mean, it’s it really is it comes down. And there’s nothing easy about this, it comes down to doing the work. And so you do the networking, you you put work in on the website, I mean, you can obviously pay people to do that, if you want to do that to people to the website, but a lot of the people but people like well, you need the approval, and you don’t need to do that you you can do it yourself, and you can do a really, really good job. And you can get clients that way. It’s just, there’s a million different ways you can get clients, but doing the work is how you get them. And that’s, that’s just the bottom line. So choose a couple different ways of getting clients put in the work. And they will come I promise you,
Jim Hacking
we talked a couple of weeks ago, about you know, sunk costs and about how you just have to, you really have to monitor how you’re spending your time and whether it’s continuing to pay off with the return on investment for your time or your money, because both of those things are finite, especially your time and you and I tried some things that didn’t work. And I think it’s important to be willing and flexible. That’s not so much to not try new things but to stop doing things that aren’t working. I think that’s really important, especially when you’re starting I I was out doing a lot of networking you were you and I were in a networking group that was taking up a lot of our time. And I think that I think that we eventually came around to the way that Willie B sees things. And that is that you can get a lot of clients off the internet itself. And, and maybe you don’t need to be running around all over the place. Networking, I think at first, it’s important, I think you got to get your name out there, you got to make sure that people understand who you are and what you stand for. But eventually, you’re going to need to be very jealous of your time. And to make sure that you’re maximizing your time, to the extent that you can
Tyson Mutrux
I see what you did, there was a good one. The other thing, here’s an interesting point that you sort of made not without really saying it’s things change. Alright, so things that worked five years ago, may not work. Now, I’ll tell you one example for me was whenever I was doing a lot of criminal defense, pay per click, I got into the paperclip game really early. And it works really, really well. But as the cost went up, because everyone was getting into it, it drew drove my cost per acquisition up. And so it made it where it wasn’t worth it for me to do it anyway, anymore. So things like that paperwork still does work. But the to me, it’s just too big of a bullet to bite I don’t I don’t like how much you have to pay per acquisition. And so things do change. And so just yet, you have to keep that in mind. I will say something that will never change, in my opinion is networking, networking is going to be around forever. So it’s not something that it’s going to lead you astray. So if you’re, if you’re going to start with something, start with networking, and then that’s how you’re gonna get most of your clients anyway. Our next
Jim Hacking
topic comes from our friend St. Louis attorney, David Terry, I think you and I both have had lunch with David. He’s been very generous. And we’ve enjoyed spending time with David. He was writing about social media, and David has come into the conference, I should say. And here’s what he asked what are folks in the group doing about social media? And are you getting any benefit, have been talking with some people about handling my social media for me, but I wonder if there’s much of an upside ROI, to having several posts a month on social media platforms? I’m going to stop this question there. And we get to the second part of this question and
Tyson Mutrux
go for it. This cracks me up but I’m I want to hear your thoughts.
Jim Hacking
Okay, so I have had a couple of thoughts. Number one is I don’t think that anyone can handle your social media for you. You know, I have been in Mitch Jackson’s legal minds group and that’s a biweekly We meet twice a week for an hour talking about social media. David, it’s really the deal of a century if you if you’re thinking about doing social media before you spend one dime on any social media experts. You really need to join Mitch his group. It’s very collaborative. Mitch has tried it all. None at all. And there are a lot of really smart people in the group. So I would strongly encourage you to do that. The other thing is Tyson, I’m remembering when our friend Gary Burger had us come talk to his CLE last year. And I think you and I were we knew and I spoke before and after these people that work for a Facebook advertising company, and those guys, they talked for, like 45 minutes, and I had no idea what the hell they were saying. There was like gobbledygook, marketing, advertising, branding, stuff. That was just nonsensical. And so I think there’s a lot of snake oil being sold when it comes to social media. So David, I’d really encourage you, before you spend any money on any experts at social media, that you learn it yourself, you don’t have to do it yourself. But you have to learn what your money’s going towards why it’s important. And I know David is in sort of the personal injury space. And I think that, that there are a lot of people out there who would be trying to get money from plaintiff’s attorneys, and that you could be in a really vulnerable spot.
Tyson Mutrux
Right? So I agree with you with 99.9% of the stuff you said. And so I don’t want to just repeat everything you just said. But it’s, there’s no way you can successfully do social media, and not do it yourself. There’s just no way because you’ve pointed this out before and Miss Jackson talks about all the time, it’s about the interaction, it’s the social part of it, that’s, that’s the most important. The media part of it is not the important part. It’s the social part of it. And so actually engaging people and unless you have someone impersonating you, which if who knows, there may be companies out there that can do a really, really good job of a personating. You I highly doubt it. That means they are actually interacting with clients that are interacting with your friends or family things like that. I guess if you want to pay someone to do that, go for it. I think it’s a bad idea. I don’t know if that that type of product even exists, but I just think it’s it’s a bad idea. And it’s not effective. I’ve to answer the other part of the question. I’ve had great results, but it’s it’s more of a branding kind of a thing. Where the we do have the engagement with clients and family and friends and things like that. And colleagues. That’s where it all comes from. And I’ve talked about this before on the podcast. A lot of it began with for me with video where I said said this a long time ago when from no one knowing my name to everyone, no one my name. And it really it came down to the videos and from the social media. So is there a benefit to it? Absolutely. And I still think the Gold Rush is still going on Facebook. So if you’re not involved in it, I highly recommend they do.
Jim Hacking
I think everybody knows you from your Little Lord Fauntleroy suits and your Garanimals. The next thing that David brings up, or the little throwaway comment there is, I wonder if there’s much return on investment having several posts a month on social media platforms. I mean, that’s the thing. You know, you’ll get some company that says we’ll write blog posts for you, we’ll write Facebook posts for you. But it the whole thing about social is the actual interaction. You can’t just it’s not drive by marketing. And in fact, it shouldn’t even be I don’t even think social media and marketing should be in sort of the same phrase. It’s social media, like you said, it’s part of being social, it’s interacting, it’s having a conversation. I mean, Gary Vee loves to go to these conferences, and look up some of the people that are posting about the conference. And then we’ll note how they never reply to each other how they’re just sort of using a blow horn to just sort of yell all the time. And social media is not about yelling, social media, really, I think it’s about whispering and having a dialogue. I, I have someone a friend on Facebook on Twitter that I’ve never met, she’s an attorney. I think she listens to the show. She’s out on the East Coast. And we had a great conversation on Twitter yesterday about whether or not these reporters who work for Sinclair, where they’re being asked to read these scripts, these pro Trump scripts, you know, and so whether we those people should quit their jobs. And she pointed out to me that, you know, that it’s not easy for them. Because Sinclair has such a presence all across the country, it’s hard to leave a job like that, because it’s hard to find another one. And so, through social, she educated me and sort of changed my way of thinking about things. And so that’s really what social is about social is about meeting people about, you know, reading, you know, and that’s one of the one of the great things about the conferences, we really feel like you and I’ve never met really immediate. We’ve never met him in real life. But I consider him a friend. And I’m glad he’s coming to the conference and we’re gonna have fun meeting in St. Louis. But at the end of the day, where we really forged our connection is in the Facebook group.
Tyson Mutrux
Yeah, I mean, we’ve we’ve done you know, video calls with William and things like that. We’ve had him on the podcast you right but i But same thing, I consider him a friend and we really have not met him in person, which is kind of funny to think about. I hadn’t really thought about that. So yeah, it’s the engagement. I don’t know it’s one of those things. Where would you at a family or gathering Your friends and family, would you like sit, let’s say a Superbowl party? Would you go in? Would you put someone in your place to just basically go in there and talk about your business? No, you wouldn’t make no sense. Social media is the same thing. It’s just, it’s a gathering of friends and family and colleagues is what it is. And so don’t stand up and shout actually engage. Gonna move on to the next one.
Jim Hacking
Yeah, so the last one came across last night in the group. And it’s from our good friend, joy, vitality. And Joey was talking about maximum lawyer about being a maximum lawyer. And I think that this is a good topic for us to end the show on. And I wanted to just sort of talk about it, Joey brings up, you know, that we talk about being a maximum lawyer about being the best version of ourselves as lawyers and you know, being effective, and maximizing your marketing efforts. And it made me think back to when you and I started, and when we came up with a name for maximum lawyer, and that was back in my face, when I was thinking all the time about maximum gym, I had maximum gym, sort of on my whiteboard, and I had all the six aspects of my life up on that board. And so when we started talking, immigration, yeah, so but being maximum lawyer, I think is about more than just being an efficient and successful lawyer. I think it’s all about maximizing all aspects of our lives, so that we can take it to the next level. And I know, this may sound cheesy, I know, it may sound trite, but it’s really important, I think, for us to be thinking about all aspects of our life, not just about making money, not just about running a law firm, but about being with our family, being with our kids, being free, to be happy and live a successful life and, and have everything that we want. That’s That’s what maximum lawyer to me is all about, about, you know, reaching whatever potential we can and not just in running a firm, I really mean that it’s to me, it’s much more about living a successful life, a balanced life and, and taking whatever it is, it’s important to us to the maximum level and throwing everything into that.
Tyson Mutrux
You know, I don’t remember who said it, but Furman for Kelly repeated to me yesterday, and he made a really good point, because I was talking about how much you know, we’re busy, you had a lot of work to do. And he said, he’s like, you know, on your deathbed, you’re not going to say I wish I spent more time at the office. And I know that that came from an author or speaker single or something like that. But it’s absolutely true. And you have to sort of remind yourself that sometimes a week, everyone that listens to this podcast, I guarantee works their asses off, it just, you wouldn’t be listening to this if you if you didn’t, if you weren’t, you know, hustling and working hard, and doing good work for your client. And your same thing is for the people that are engaged in the Facebook group. So but we do have to remember that there are other things out there, besides our businesses, there are families, their friends, things like that. So I mean, to me, it’s much more important to me to be a great father and husband than to be a great business owner. They’re all very, very important to me, but you had to focus on on the things that really, really are important in our lives. And let’s not kid ourselves, though. What helps us have those healthy lives are our businesses so that they both have to be healthy? So yeah, I mean, there’s different parts of your life that you need to focus on, you know, there are the family relationships is the friend relationships, there’s your health, there’s your business, there’s all these different areas that you have to focus on, it can be very, very difficult because you’re, when you take away from one, if you add the one, then you’re taken away from another one. So it’s tough. I mean, it’s nothing, no one’s saying this is easy, but you have to at least have it in your mind, think about that focus on otherwise, you’ll just ignore it.
Jim Hacking
I really liked this part that Joey wraps up his post. And if you guys haven’t read it, I really recommend that you do it was from April 2. And Joey goes through some numbers about how lawyers, you know how much lawyers could be making or should be making or are making. And he runs through the numbers. And he talks about a book that he really likes called Profit First, which I haven’t read, but that’ll be my hack of the week Profit First from Joey. Thanks, Joe. But he ends his quote, by saying, I just want to take a breath and say to the solos in this group who might just be starting or in their first year or two, especially if you don’t have children, yet, I think you’re doing pretty darn good. And I think that’s right. I think that, you know, if you’re hanging out with us, if you’re listening to us and doing the kinds of things that we’re suggesting you’ll get there for sure. As long as like you said, you keep hustling, keep trying and, and I think that it’s great to stop and assess where you are from time to time. And you may not be completely satisfied with that, but also to take the satisfaction of knowing that you’re on the right path.
Tyson Mutrux
I love it. Nothing else I really need to add to that. I mean, it’s go read the post. It really, really wasn’t good for you actually, you know, what, do you have the numbers in front of you? Yeah, we you read those numbers. I think it’s important that people hear the numbers I was I was a little surprised by
Jim Hacking
that. I bought, according to at least some studies making around $95,000 on the high end, and that’s certain individuals enough to make you happy. So this is just a general happiness scale that if you, if you’re an individual and you make 95,000 a year, then you have enough to at least be happy and safe and, and warm, I guess, according to at least some studies, the average solo lawyer makes less than $35,000 a year. And her friend Chelsea lambreaux, when she was on, she said, 40, it was 41,000. So the rug was right there. And then in the setup, that profit first sets forth. So business owners making under $250,000, should be paying themselves 50% of what the business brings in, which doesn’t include profit distribution. So he’s saying that if you follow Profit First, and if you do the kinds of things that we’re talking about that you should be able to get to that happy level, and then you have to ask yourself, what is making me happy is, isn’t just the money is, you know, how much do I need to be happy? If you got four bratty kids like I do, and you got to pay the bills, but you might really need a little bit more. But generally, I totally get Joey’s point. I think he’s right. I think I think taking a breath, you know, a couple times a week to sort of be happy where you’re at, I think is really important. I
Tyson Mutrux
completely agree. I don’t want to break down the numbers. I just wanted to make sure people, they heard the numbers. I was a little surprised by that. So let’s kind of wrap things up. Jimmy, before we do, I want to point out that you criticize the way I asked for reviews, I guess I’ve been telling people to give us a review. So Jimmy would like me to ask you all to go and give us a review. And if you will, if you if you’re kind enough to give us a five star review, we would really appreciate it. Jim, is that good enough?
Jim Hacking
So much better. I think that was much nicer and much more fair and balanced.
Tyson Mutrux
Okay, okay. So if you would mind wouldn’t mind go and give us a review. We appreciate it. Here’s where I’m gonna tell you get bought on facebook group Facebook group is extremely, extremely valuable, and it has been hopping lately. It’s crazy. The United gotten like a week out without posting anything. I mean, people were posting a bunch of stuff. And so especially whenever people I’m a millennial hesitant to post things on there, whenever people are, are posting a lot of really good topics, I don’t really want to dilute those really good topic. So but there’s a lot of action going on it. So we’re there’s a lot of great information flowing in. So definitely get involved in there. Jimmy, go ahead and give us your hack of the week.
Jim Hacking
I did this Profit First it’s a hack for myself. I’m going to download it this week and start listen to it
Tyson Mutrux
for telephone about Jimmy, tell us all about what the What’s the book about
Jim Hacking
I’m gonna punch you in the face.
Tyson Mutrux
Now I’m actually I’m actually halfway through it. It’s it’s a it’s a short book, it’s it’s a good book, though. It’s the he actually does a really good job. And this is something he talks about in the book about how he you know, front loading a front load these books nowadays where you get the gist of everything in the first chapter. So and so once you’ve gotten through the first two or three chapters, you’re gonna you have a really good idea what’s going on. But he gets into the minutia later on. So that’s probably where most of the value is, isn’t an issue. But it actually what, from what I’ve read so far is really good book. So it’s funny when you and I are both this week when I recommend something that other people are doing, or reading and I’m going to recommend this is based on Jay ruwan and Mitch Jackson. And you know what I’m gonna recommend. It’s creating a public figure page for yourself. Now, here’s full disclosure. I don’t agree with Jay and Mitch on this. I don’t think it makes no sense to me, because I think it dilutes your message. When you have a separate separate public figure page. From your firm page. However, I’m willing to try it out. I think it’s worth trying out. So I want to I want to I want as many people to do this as possible. And if you need me to post on Facebook, how to do it, I will it’s really easy to do though. We MIDI posted how to do it. So go and go to the Facebook group. It’s there. You can find it there. But check it out. And basically what you do is it’s sort of its day in the life sort of stuff is sort of what they recommend for you out of your public figure page. And so check it out. See what you think I’m not completely bought into it. I’m actually not bought into it at all, but I’m willing to try it out and see what it
